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To: MHGinTN

You’re too nervy. You can ask me questions, but didn’t.

I’ll comment now on what you’ve written. Firstly, I agree with you that all scripture is given for our instruction, but in what specifically?

Many Christians get Paul’s words wrong. He isn’t arguing against “law” per se, but the hypocritical abuse or misuse of it. Take a second look at Paul. Christ expects us to observe laws, to make sacrifices and to start with baptism as an ordinance. Of course it all starts with Jesus.

Go to the Greek translation of Paul’s attacks on legalism. There isn’t a word for legalism, not the modern epithet for it, in Greek. Paul chooses his Greek carefully and wisely. Read up on that.

Paul is really arguing that:

1. Salvation comes of Christ and by none other. Faith in him leads the way.

2. Nothing we can do will save ourselves. This is subtle.

3. We do have something to do. What is it?

4. Obedience is a requirement of Salvation. Obedience to what?

Is there an apparent conflict in the above?

Paul cannot argue against his master who said, “If you love me, obey my commandments.” New Living Translation (©2007)John 14:15

It cannot be both.


647 posted on 10/03/2010 11:09:47 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; MHGinTN
“If you love me, obey my commandments.”

"And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us." I John 3:23

Against the above, the following is non-operative:
Christ expects us to observe laws, to make sacrifices and to start with baptism as an ordinance. Of course it all starts with Jesus.

652 posted on 10/03/2010 11:24:57 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: 1010RD
In a medieval city, the alleyways were narrow streets and paths where the sun did not shine directly down to the pathway except when the sun was directly overhead. It was in these alleys that too many 'unbecoming' activities thrived since they were so poorly lit, especially at night. You are trying to invite me down a Mormonism alley, whose entrance seems innocent enough: "Salvation comes of Christ and by none other."

Mormonism apologetics is demonically directed. BY changing in subtle ways what the Gospel teaches, the reader is led astray, to consider as reasonable that which is blasphemous.

Paul stated clearly that the law could save no one. And the commandments from Jesus were to love the Lord your God above all and to love your neighbor as you would love yourself. In striving to keep the law of Moses, the Jew was faithing in the saving power of God. You see, the ten commandments are a clear thoughlimited definition of God's nature. Humans had that nature in their human spirit before the fall. After the fall, the light of the human spirit was gone. Through faithing in Christ and only through faith Christ's atonement the 'light' gets switched on again. The law could not switch it on. Once the light is on again, we can dim it by disobedience to the leadership of His Holy Spirit, but we cannot switch it off. Jesus made this promise to the believer. Mormonism cannot cancel that promise.

Jesus did not teach to follow 613 Jewish laws in order to be worthy of His sacrifice on the Cross, nor to follow 613 laws after being Born Again of the Spirit. Had He done so, the Pharisees would have embraced Him instead of killing him via Roman execution, and the Judaisers would have been Paul's assistants, not his nemesis.

So, I will decline to dart down the darkening alley to which you invite my inspection. Ordinances are man-made behaviors. Jesus did not put any preconditions upon being Born Again, as the work God commands so adequately shows yet you chose to try and pervert in order to make room for Mormon legalism.

Your mormonism's demonic apologetics asks, in what seems such an innocent way, "We do have something to do. What is it? ... Obedience is a requirement of Salvation. Obedience to what?" You have been shown what God commands, and that is precisely what the human soul must obey for salvation in Christ Jesus: believe on Him, that's all.

Once truly born again, His Spirit leads your human soul in all things where you obey Him, and that isn't keeping 613 laws to prevent satan from snatching your salvation away! Jesus promised that those who are His are in His hand and no one can snatch them out.

Mormonism seeks to get the mind into a darkened alley, to consider as if reasonable that there is something else God in the person of Jesus didn't offer in the answer Jesus gave to your question ... as if God lies by omission! Sorry, that is demonic inveigling methodology. Get thee behind me, Satan.

655 posted on 10/03/2010 11:36:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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