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To: restornu

>>In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus took upon Hiself all the sins of the world<<

You mean when he said this:

Luke 22:42
“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”


184 posted on 09/30/2010 10:06:31 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus took upon Hiself all the sins of the world
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That was ON THE CROSS

Until then God the Father was with Him..

He was ON THE CROSS when God left Him...

“Father why have you forsaken Me ???”

Jesus who is God knew why...

Jesus never said that in the Garden..God the Father was still with Him...

Jesus the man was just a man who knew that God had laft Him...

God cannot look upon sin and Jesus had taken on all the sin of the world...

He knew this would happen, that God would leave Him...

Just part of the reason He prayed so intenstly to God in the Garden of Gethsemenee...

the horror of what He was facing...

That knowledge that He would be cut off sor even a short time from God the Father whom he had been with for an eternity..

The Word part of God had agreed to this but now as a man He was faced with the moment of truth...

It was about to happen...He couldnt Himself ...He gave His will over to the Father...

What trust He had in the father..the Fathers ability to bring Him through death on the Cross and then resurection...

Placing all the sins of the world and blame for them upon Him..

Paying the price for them ON THE CROSS..

What a tremendous load Jesus carried for us..

But He did it..

The Garden of Gethsemenee was only the place where Jesus the Man made up His mind and surrendered his will to the Father..

He only decided to go through with death ON THE CROSS and being cut off from the Father there...

The Garden of gethsemanee had nothing to do with our redemption..

He could have walked back to the upper room and had coffee and Cheese Cake after He left the Garden...

The work for our salvation had not begun yet...

All that happened was Jesus turned His will over to the Father...

And the Father instructed Him to wait for the soldiers who were coming to arrest Him...

He was in the Garden for a long time...the disciples went to sleep..

Jesus waited for the soldiers to come and take Him to Pilate and for the work of salavation to begin...

That was all done ON THE CROSS...

Until the Cross everything that happened to Jesus that evening and the next day could have happened to anyone..

the stuggle to face horrors, the false condemation, the arrest,

the whipping...the flesh torn in strips from His body till His bones showed...though that whipping had different consequences...through His stripes we WERE healed...

The sufffering and death ON THE CROSS of the LORD Jesus Christ was different than any man had ever gone through before...

No other man had ever known what it was like to spend eternity as God and with God the father...

No other man knew what it was like to be cut off from God as a criminal having nevcer committed a sin..

God the Father would not even look at Him...

No other man had laid down His life and died ON THE CROSS voluntery knowing that it was necessary for Him to do so in order to save a damned world..

No the Garden of Gethsemanee was not the place that Jesus shed His life saving Blood and called out to God the father IT IS FINISHED...

That all happened ON THE CROSS...

However there will always be those who try to corrupt the message of the Gospel that is spelled out in the Bible...

Even the disciples of Jesus had to be rebuked by him for getting ahead of themselves and watering down His message...

Thats all that mormonism doea ...

Make the Gospel message over into something more convenient and useful to them...

The Cross, the Bood, the Power are all gone because they are too yucky and unexplainable..

Thats why Mormonism is not Chrsitianity by any stretch of the imagination..


200 posted on 09/30/2010 10:53:09 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: RobRoy

Thank you for including the conversation between the Jesus Christ and His Father in Heaven.


219 posted on 09/30/2010 11:31:19 AM PDT by restornu (Trust but verify)
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