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It is funny you know... atheists, agnostics et al study apologetics to disprove what they believe may be true but wish to believe otherwise. Most Christians accept their faith and move on, no proof needed for them any longer. But it is still needed for Christians to understand their faith and have a good working knowledge of apologetics.

Here is an interesting thought... I’ve been reading through Geneses lately and the thought has occurred to me that many of the human practices we take for granted, had a “first occurrence”. The question then is, “what was the Geneses of the first occurrence?” Take for instance marriage and circumcision, God instituted both. The first occurrence of these human practices, so far as I know, originated with God and is recorded historically in “religious” documents. I’m sure there are likely many others.

For anybody out there who is a student of apologetics, this would be a unique endeavor, to make a study of history to discover practices that are common to most of humanity, and link back to the first occurrence. I would venture to guess, that those practice that are commonly held as healthy have a first occurrence in relation to God... not the lesser.


16 posted on 09/28/2010 7:21:34 AM PDT by dps.inspect (uttox)
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American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.

"These are people who thought a lot about religion," he said. "They're not indifferent. They care about it."

That describes me.

Most Christians accept their faith and move on, no proof needed for them any longer.

I would discard "any longer" and just stay with "No proof needed."

But it is still needed for Christians to understand their faith and have a good working knowledge of apologetics.

I was raised in a fundamentalist protestant church and did my best to believe. In college, while searching for reenforcement for my belief, I learned that I could be in good intellectual company and not believe. So, I became an atheist. Surprisingly, I felt a great sense of relief. I was amazed but I felt as if great chains had been lifted from my back. I rejoiced!

After a short while I realized one couldn't disprove God, either, so I became an agnostic but i did not give up the quest. The emptiness in my core was still there. It doesn't go away even for pretend believers. Eventually I got there and as you said and many before me had learned, proof was no longer needed.

I think many, perhaps most, churches preach the wrong gospel. Too many, like the one I attended, come down hard on Hellfire and brimstone, about all the bad things that are going to happen if you don't believe, and too little time on the peace and joy that accompany belief. Many TV evangelists have made fortunes preaching that way and throw in the miracle healings for good measure.

Others, like the new phenom, Joel Whats-his-name, emphasize applying the scriptures to the problems of everyday life. I like that idea but I don't always like the way he applies it. A proper understanding of the scriptures, if I may be so bold as to use that term. negates many of our social problems. They just don't happen, and when real problems do arise we are able to put them in proper perspective and overcome them. Think of Job.

41 posted on 09/28/2010 9:45:11 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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