[glide625]

ping

[frogjerk]

How about a Council of Trent party?

[Kolokotronis]

Is the orthodoxy of one’s Roman Catholicism now measured in this country by where one falls on a political spectrum?

I was recently with an Orthodox hierarch (a real conservative) and a group of clergy and laity. When the discussion turned to a possible reunion of Rome with the Orthodox churches, one of the main concerns expressed by the participants was the, to us, incredible politicization of Roman Catholicism and the Roman Catholic Church in America.

[netmilsmom]

This stuck out in this article...
“There is no accountability, and no consequences for open dissent on the preeminent moral issues. “

Really, there is no accountability anywhere.
As of Advent, we have a new English Translation of the Missal. Even in our parish, I have seen NOTHING about this.

What happens if parishes don’t use it? What happens if it’s business as usual with the “Jesus, Prince of Peace” for the Agnus Dei? Or adding whatever to the Eucharistic Prayer? What is done?

Nothing. Which is why parishes in Cleveland don’t kneel before communion and use the “stick um up”/modified Orans position for the Our Father. Nothing is done to correct it, in most Diocese.

[Alex Murphy]

Lay Catholics cannot understand why, over the past 30 years, more bishops haven't taken a stronger public stand on Catholic politicians who openly dissent on life and marriage issues.

In November 2008, FReeper all the best posted his take on where the Catholic church has gone wrong in guiding American voters. I think he absolutely nailed it:

Show me just one Catholic bishop who will speak up against coveting your neighbors’ goods. That is why Catholics ignored the Bishops on abortion. They know abortion is wrong but overlooked the Dems on that point because those same politicians pandered to their covetousness. Same for protestants and evangelical pastors, leaders and activists. American politics and government at all levels is driven by government-mediated coveting. Until the Church takes a stand against this we can expect to sink deeper and deeper into socialism and, oh yeah, abortion.

[matginzac]

Sign me up for the Catholic Tea Party!
Here in Tidewater VA, after too many years of Bish. Sullivan, an “anti-war”, lib dem lover, this area has a long way to go to dig itself out of the abyss. Many of the churches here don’t even have kneelers... and many don’t kneel before taking communion.
Also, some of our elected officials who call themselves “Catholics’ use the parish roster for fund raising...specifically Mamie Bacote, a state rep, who gives faithfully to Emily’s List...
Yes, I called the diocese to complain and they took a pass...so I will this Bishop’s Appeal cycle...

[Missouri gal]

The Shepherds ceded much of their authority to a lay organization, currently named the USCCB, which shamelessly and without consequence, has appropriated the Bishops’ role of lecturing us all on their own personal brand of morality. However, many of the Bishops themselves approve of the socialistic, cynical and anti-Christian agenda of the leftists in this country. They frequently lecture us on “tolerance” of islam with all its injustices and grievous errors; cheerlead for eliminating our borders so that illegals can be treated “justly,” ignoring the harm to their flock, and the multitude of injustices which illegals face which are CAUSED by open border policy; and push the fallacy that Obamacare less a sentence or two would create a more just health care system. These are a few of the enormous errors that have hurt the Bishops’ credibility badly.
Can't help thinking this will result in very bad consequences for all of us, sheep and shepherds together, sooner or later.

[ansel12]

I sure support it.

[Quix]

May the Roman Catholic tea kettle boil away the lot of the clueless traitorous Godless idiots.