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YOM KIPPUR: WHERE DO WE RECEIVE ATONEMENT TODAY?
Joel Rosenberg's Weblog ^ | September 17, 2010 | Joel Rosenberg

Posted on 09/18/2010 4:31:39 PM PDT by wmfights

At sundown, we begin Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. In the Scriptures, the Israelites were commanded by the Lord to fast and pray and bring their sacrifices to the Temple in Jerusalem, and then to ask for the Lord’s forgiveness for all the sins they and their nation had committed that year. Only the sacrifice of a perfect animal, done with a humble, repentant heart, and with faith in God’s mercy and grace, would bring about forgiveness of sins.

“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11) “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” (Hebrews 9:22) The problem is: What does one do to receive atonement in the modern age, without a Temple? How can one make sacrifices and receive forgiveness of sins — and thus the right to enter the holiness of heaven and live with the Lord in heaven forever and ever — without being able to sacrifice a perfect lamb at the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Lord designated all sacrifices to occur? The destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. was a huge blow to Judaism, because it deprived Jews of the place to receive atonement from God.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Other Christian
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To: rawcatslyentist

Ditto, and I will Pray that one day you will be receiving HOLY COMMUNION, the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ!! There is NOTHING....NOTHING like it!!!


41 posted on 09/18/2010 5:30:26 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
you don't believe that Jesus gave the Kingdom of heaven keys to Peter

If by this you are asking me if I respect the authority of the Pope, the answer is no, I don't. Growing up I had to kneel in front of an archbishop, now I only bow my knee in front of the King of kings. As for your friend, I'm sorry for him/her, you could help by explaining the concept of transubstantiation.

42 posted on 09/18/2010 5:33:52 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus
Ditto!

Communion is symbolic. The Eucharist is imaginary cannibalism and unscriptural. In the Bible it is condemned to eat human flesh or drink human blood or pretend you are for that matter.

43 posted on 09/18/2010 5:37:31 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Ann Archy

Why I LOVE my Catholic Religion....we have CONFESSSION almost whenever you want to go, there will be a Priest ready to hear your confession!!!
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This is one thing I love about the Jewish faith: they ask for forgiveness of thier sins in a day of atonement. If they don’t follow through then it is worthless. I wish all people would do this.


44 posted on 09/18/2010 5:42:01 PM PDT by o-n-money
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To: wmfights

I hope you don’t mind my private e-mail that I jsut sent.

I have my fingers crossed that I can learn about that topic from you!!!

We love ya!

You are very special ... .


45 posted on 09/18/2010 5:42:56 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Former Fetus
Jesus performed Substantiation and He passed that onto the 12 Apostles, led by Peter the first Pope. Don't believe Jesus's words and deeds at your will.

I kind of have to laugh at Baptists who say they follow the BIBLE's ever word and yet don;t believe what the Bible says!!

WHen you knelt in front of the Archbishop, you were receiving Holy Communion.

46 posted on 09/18/2010 5:44:15 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SkyDancer
Thanks for the link, I will study it.
47 posted on 09/18/2010 5:44:53 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Ann Archy

“You think that DIED with Jesus, that ONLY the 12 Apostles had that given to them.....”

Consider the example of Peter, who you regard as the 1st Pope. Surely, if anyone would demonstrate the Roman example of confession, it would be him, correct?

Acts 8:18-24
“18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.”

When Simon, who had been baptized into the Church, committed a grave sin, Peter admonishes him. Does Peter then advise him to confess his sin and receive penance? No, Peter advises him to repent of his sin, and pray to the Lord for forgiveness. Not to repent, pray, then come back to Peter for confession, but to receive forgiveness directly from the Lord!

Simon even asks Peter to pray for him that he may escape judgment, and yet even though Simon seems to be appealing to Peter’s power as an Apostle, as if he believes the Lord will respect Peter’s prayers more than Simon’s, we have no indication that Peter took this as a “confession” and prescribed penance. There is only silence to answer this request, as Acts moves on to the next part of the narrative.

So, if Peter, your “1st Pope” did not practice Roman confession, why do Catholics today not follow his example?


48 posted on 09/18/2010 5:46:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ann Archy

>>I guess you’ve never read the Bible where it says that Jesus GAVE to the Apostles the ABILITY to FORGIVE or NOT FORGIVE SINS!!<<

Could you give us the Scripture that says that?


49 posted on 09/18/2010 5:54:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Boogieman

OMG!! “Pray to the Lord for me and ask that non of the things you have spoken of may befall me”. geesh.


50 posted on 09/18/2010 5:54:57 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: nmh; Former Fetus
The Eucharist is imaginary cannibalism and unscriptural.

From what I can see it is a bad attempt to mimic Jewish religious practices. The altar is raised and separated from the congregation, similar to how the High Priests in the Temple were the only ones to go into the Holy of Holies. The priests are supposed to have special powers not so different than the priest making the sacrifice in the Temple. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ is recreated on a daily basis for the forgiveness of sins not so dissimilar than the Jewish practice in Yom Kippur which is done once a year.

What they have failed to see is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for us "finished it". The Lord's Supper is our remembrance of that moment.

51 posted on 09/18/2010 5:55:21 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Ann Archy
Just like when Jesus said He was the bread come down from heaven... symbolic stuff, don't you think so?
Laugh at us Baptists as much as you want, but we are closer to the 1st century church than catholics are. How many of your doctrines and traditions are man-made? Let me count: purgatory, worship of saints, worship of Mary, latin mass, chanting, statues, commandments of the church, infant baptism... Oh, yes! y'all don't worship Mary, you just pray on your knees to her, light a candle to her... You can call it whatever you want, it sure looks like worship to me!
52 posted on 09/18/2010 5:55:24 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: nmh
No problem, I'm an open book. :-)

We love ya!

Back at ya!

53 posted on 09/18/2010 5:57:12 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Former Fetus

Whatever.


54 posted on 09/18/2010 5:58:01 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

>>And what PENANCE do you do for your sins, or is there NO PENANCE???<<

Jesus paid the price in full for my sins. I simply have to ask forgiveness and try never do it again.

Any thing I could do would be as “filthy rags”.


55 posted on 09/18/2010 5:58:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Ann Archy
Whatever

It's refreshing to see your maturity and open mind... Anyhow, I'm going to bed because tomorrow I have to get up early, I don't go to church Saturday afternoon to "free Sunday up". I will spend the Lord's Day in the Lord's house. And I will pray for you... after all I don't need a priest for that.

56 posted on 09/18/2010 6:02:15 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: wmfights

> “I rather love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”

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Amen!
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57 posted on 09/18/2010 6:03:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
The one thing that unites all believers of The Gospel.
58 posted on 09/18/2010 6:05:15 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: cherry

Without repentance, there is no reconciliation with God, whether you are Catholic, Protestant, or whatever. So why bring up examples of people who are clearly unrepentant to attack other beliefs? They are not representative of anyone but themselves.

I’m sure there are many Catholics who just go to confession, and continue sinning as well. Would you admit that as proof that your own ritual has no power?


59 posted on 09/18/2010 6:08:32 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

> “So, if Peter, your “1st Pope” did not practice Roman confession, why do Catholics today not follow his example?”

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That truly has been the question for the entire 1600 years that the Roman apostasy has existed. Why do they not follow the clear examples and commandments of the Apostles?


60 posted on 09/18/2010 6:08:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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