Posted on 09/18/2010 4:31:39 PM PDT by wmfights
At sundown, we begin Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. In the Scriptures, the Israelites were commanded by the Lord to fast and pray and bring their sacrifices to the Temple in Jerusalem, and then to ask for the Lord’s forgiveness for all the sins they and their nation had committed that year. Only the sacrifice of a perfect animal, done with a humble, repentant heart, and with faith in God’s mercy and grace, would bring about forgiveness of sins.
“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11) “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” (Hebrews 9:22) The problem is: What does one do to receive atonement in the modern age, without a Temple? How can one make sacrifices and receive forgiveness of sins — and thus the right to enter the holiness of heaven and live with the Lord in heaven forever and ever — without being able to sacrifice a perfect lamb at the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Lord designated all sacrifices to occur? The destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. was a huge blow to Judaism, because it deprived Jews of the place to receive atonement from God.
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Seventh month? I thought Yom Kippur occured on the 10th day of the new year (month 1) - we just had Rosh Hashannah (Tishri 1) -- or am I missing something?
I have no idea what you are talking about...
A review of historical attempts at interpretation of scripture e.g. Eph 3:4 indicate similar failure to align private interpretations with those of the Holy Spirit. Does the sin of pride inhibit admission of guilt? Maybe these private interpretations are not from an indwelling of the Holy Spirit but from a nether region.
God bless and trust only in the Holy Spirit
The New Year thing slipped in from their time in exile in Babylon (the names of the month slipped in at that time too- they are not Hebrew but Babylonian names) . Rosh Hashannah is not in the first Biblical month.
Jewish holidays often seem confusing to people who are used to the Gregorian calendar. While holidays in Judaism generally occur around the same time each year, celebrations and other traditions rarely appear to fall on the same date. Hanukkah can occur days before Christmas, or it can fall weeks ahead of time. Passover can occur in March, or take place in April.
The reason for this variation has to do with the difference between the rotational cycle that is used in the Hebrew calendar, which uses a combination between a lunar calendar and a solar calendar, and the Gregorian system; most North American and Western European timekeeping is based on the latter system.
The Hebrew calendar takes into account three distinct astronomical happenings: the rotation of the earth on its own axis; the rotation of the moon around the sun (approximately every 29.5 days); and the rotation of the earth around the sun (what comes out to be 12 or 13 months, or an average of 12.4 months per lunar calendar).
In contrast, the Gregorian calendar is an arithmetical calendar that is grouped in allocations of 365-366 days and is adjusted periodically over a span of 400 years.
Therefore, the Hebrew and Gregorian calendars often vary when compared.
So post the sentence structure that I supposedly failed to discern
A review of historical attempts at interpretation of scripture e.g. Eph 3:4 indicate similar failure to align private interpretations with those of the Holy Spirit. Does the sin of pride inhibit admission of guilt? Maybe these private interpretations are not from an indwelling of the Holy Spirit but from a nether region.
A review by you, eh???
I don't think I'm too concerned about your alignment with the Holy Spirit as far as understanding scripture goes...
Besides, I didn't interpret anything...Perhaps you are accusing me of failure to interpret Eph. 3:4...
God bless and trust only in the Holy Spirit
I'll trust the Holy Spirit AND the word of God...
Christ is ready at all times. Priests only almost all times. You can take your confession directly to Jesus.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 4:14-16
I guess Jesus just wanted to hear himself talk???? I don't think so.
When the High priest went into the tabernacle to offer the atonement once a year (a typology of Christ) it was a perfect OT “ type” of limited atonement
God made a covenant with the twelve tribes of Israel (Gods elect nation) at the foot of Mount Sinai. Animal sacrifices were offered ,as God had prescribed .Then “Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you”.
Hebrews 5 through 10 is a New Testament commentary on Leviticus, emphasizing the priesthood of Christ and his atoning death. there is nothing there to indicate the sacrifice of the High Priest was an unlimited atonment .
The sacrificial system of Leviticus foreshadows tha sacrifice of Calvery
“On the Day of Atonement the priest made a special sacrifice. At this annual event, the High Priest would make a sacrifice for the nation of Israel as a whole. He would take two goat kids, one of which would become a burnt offering.
The second kid was a sin offering,( “scapegoat.” )The High Priest would place his hands on the goat’s head and confess over it the sins of the nation of Israel . Israel’s sin was symbolically transferred to the goat. Then the goat was released in the wilderness, to die in the wild .
Both these goats were types of Christ. The first died for Israel’s sins. The second, the scapegoat, symbolized the carrying away of their sin, where it would be lost and forgotten. Like the first, Christ died for our sins and like the second He carried away our sins “as far as the east is from the west” , But when that High Priest placed his hands on those goats he knew who’s sin he was transfering. It was specific to the nation of Israel
All of this was peculiar to the agreement between God and Israel. It was not a general atonment by the Lamb. It was a specific atonment for a limited preselected people (israel)
Deu 7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.
Deu 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye [were] the fewest of all people:
Deu 7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
An elect nation , an elect people ... Gods choice .
Because He wanted them to forgive. Duh! The fact that human beings can forgive one another does not negate our direct access to the King of kings.
A problem with priestly confession as some sort of substitute, or preferred way, for being able to boldly approach the throne ourselves is that it does away with Christ as the ONE mediator.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
No man is a mediator between yourself and Christ. It’s you and Christ. Period. Pray to Him.
Psalm 32: 5 I acknowledge my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
The demonstrated inability to comprehend simple sentence structure of previous post does not bode well for interpretation of sacred scripture. Focus on Spirit filled interpretations instead of reliance on selfish pride filled interpretations.
Always remember to trust in the words of Jesus and accept Him as your personal Savior.
“Chapter and verse please. Why must the Ark be the ancient one and not a rebuilt one?”
Jeremiah 3:14-18
“14 “Return, faithless people,” declares the LORD, “for I am your husband. I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion. 15 Then I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will lead you with knowledge and understanding. 16 In those days, when your numbers have increased greatly in the land,” declares the LORD, “men will no longer say, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It will never enter their minds or be remembered; it will not be missed, nor will another one be made. 17 At that time they will call Jerusalem The Throne of the LORD, and all nations will gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the LORD. No longer will they follow the stubbornness of their evil hearts. 18 In those days the house of Judah will join the house of Israel, and together they will come from a northern land to the land I gave your forefathers as an inheritance.”
Obviously this prophecy has not been fulfilled, since all nations do not gather in Jerusalem to honor the name of the Lord yet. So, this shows us the future regathering of Israel, and clearly it states the Ark will not be sought after, missed, or another one built.
“You forget that Jesus and His first disciples worshipped there - for a reason: The Ark was not there, but the Presence of the Almighty was... “
Yes, Jesus and the disciples went to the Temple, and regarded it as a sacred place, as Jesus called it his “Father’s House”, even if the Ark was not there. However, this doesn’t change the fact that the ordinances, even in that day, couldn’t be fulfilled to the letter of the command. I will admit though, that they may still have been acceptable to the Lord, even without the presence of the Ark at that time.
“Replacement Theology makes the Temple of no significance, and punds home the point that G-D LEFT ISRAEL and the proof is the TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED. This is not biblical.”
God never left Israel completely, for He made an eternal covenant with them, but that covenant included the consequences for disobedience that Israel would be suffered, as well as the future promise of reconciliation.
The Temple being destroyed is not proof God left Israel, but it is proof that this prophecy has been fulfilled:
Daniel 9:24-27
“24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Notice the sequence of events: first, the order to rebuild the Temple, then the Messiah will come, then the Messiah will be cut off, then the city and sanctuary will be destroyed, and the sacrifices and oblations will cease.
This is one of the most exact prophesies of all, so there is no “wiggle room” as to the timing, it was fulfilled as it was written. The sanctuary was destroyed, and so we must also admit that the sacrifices have ceased.
We don;t PRAY to priests.
You forget the part "What you hold bound, stays bound".
Did you get married by a pastor???? WHY? Because Jesus gave that to the Apostles to do also.
Pretty sure that the God of the Old Testament is the God of the New. Beyond that, your argument against that text doesn’t make sense because it creates a situation in which whereas before we could go directly to God and pray to Him for our forgiveness, now that we have been reconciled to Christ we can go to a priest. That’s a downgrade if you ask me.
As to the rest of your post...
1) I didn’t say you prayed to priests. I said that Christ is the only Mediator. Not priests. Not Mary. Not some saint. Christ alone. I also noted that Scripture says that WE may go boldly to the throne of grace. We may confess our faults to one another, but it isn’t an absolute requirement and no priest has some extra power beyond that which a layperson has to forgive sin.
2)I am not married, but that is irrelevant to the interpretation that Christ gave explicit power to pastors to marry people. I am not opposed to being married by a pastor by any means, but I think you’re reading into the text a little there. If you go over to 1 Corinthians 7, Paul says are you bound to a wife, seek not to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife, seek not a wife. But and if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. If you go to the greek, the loosed part is the same as in the passage you quote. Marriage vows are sacred, to be sure. They are not, however, eternal. (As in, we aren’t Mormons). Binding and loosing in Scripture is not confined to marriage is my point here. And apostles aren’t the only ones who can do it. See for example, Matthew 12 where Christ speaks of binding the strongman. His audience is disciples and Pharisees, and in this he is talking about His own practice of binding the strongman, but He is also giving out a general principle that we can draw inference from. Satan can be bound by the power of God. When Christ later gives the church the authority, it is not just to apostles that that authority is given - but to the church. Essentially, He is saying that anything the church rightly decides on earth has the power of Heaven behind it. If the church decides to bind something, it is bound. If it decides to loose something, it is loosed. This does not mean that there is some hierarchy being set up by Christ. Individual believers have access and are part of Christ’s church. They may bind and loose individually. If you disagree, consider this, we are priests if we are in Christ. So even there, there is an issue with what the Catholic church has taught. Bottom line, we don’t need a priest to access Christ. He is our elder brother and our God. His Father is our Father. We have been adopted. Children don’t have to go through a servant to reach a loving Father.
1 Peter 2
2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Great post
The same thought occurred to us as we were talking about Yom Kippur at home.
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