Posted on 09/18/2010 4:31:39 PM PDT by wmfights
At sundown, we begin Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. In the Scriptures, the Israelites were commanded by the Lord to fast and pray and bring their sacrifices to the Temple in Jerusalem, and then to ask for the Lord’s forgiveness for all the sins they and their nation had committed that year. Only the sacrifice of a perfect animal, done with a humble, repentant heart, and with faith in God’s mercy and grace, would bring about forgiveness of sins.
“For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.” (Leviticus 17:11) “In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.” (Hebrews 9:22) The problem is: What does one do to receive atonement in the modern age, without a Temple? How can one make sacrifices and receive forgiveness of sins — and thus the right to enter the holiness of heaven and live with the Lord in heaven forever and ever — without being able to sacrifice a perfect lamb at the Temple in Jerusalem, where the Lord designated all sacrifices to occur? The destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. was a huge blow to Judaism, because it deprived Jews of the place to receive atonement from God.
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“Confession, and Penance, dear Boogieman.....and I will STILL have to do time in Purgatory so that I may enter into heaven with a CLEAN, PURE SOUL.”
Didn’t Christ tell the thief on the cross, “Today you will be with me in paradise?” Here was a man who hadn’t repented of his sins until moments before death. He wasn’t in much position to perform penance, so surely he must have spent some time in purgatory, if your beliefs are correct. Why did Jesus tell him he would go to heaven that very day, instead of purgatory? Was Jesus a liar?
Here's an example of a Mary prayer commonly used in the month of May.
Remember most loving Virgin Mary,
never was it heard
that anyone that turned to you for help
was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence,
though burdened by my sins,
I run to your protection
for you are my mother
Mother of the Word of God,
do not despise my words of pleading,
but be merciful and hear my prayer.
Amen.
They don't understand that Mary was a vessel used to glorify Christ. She wasn't perfect. She wasn't omnipresent. Mary wasn't omnipotent. Mary wasn't omniscient. Mary in not a deity. No where in the Bible does it even HINT at that. This is all made up stuff that keeps a barrier there between a hopeful believer and Christ. It's really a shame. Perverting Communion as they do really bothers me. The Bible states eating human flesh or eating human blood is taboo ... it's a way of perverting remembrance ... of Him and what He did.
“Yom HaKippurim is an ETERNAL statute...”
So, do you follow this eternal statute? Does the High Priest sprinkle the blood of the bull, and of the goat, on the Mercy Seat to satisfy the “eternal statute”?
How can you satisfy the Lord’s command when He has removed from you the means to satisfy it?
You must be a patient angel ... .
Love ya ... .
Well, we may not agree on everything, but at least Jews & Christians both can look forward to that day. The Father will not allow his Jerusalem, his Jewel, to remain desolate forever.
As my rabbi used to say about that ... dere cud alvays be an oithquake ....
“You must be a patient angel ... .”
Well, any virtue I might have, I can’t account it to myself. It is the Lord who is patient, I can only hope some of it rubs off on me :)
“Love ya ... .”
Thanks, and I love you too, friend.
You warm my heart with your replies.
You’re for real ... .
Christians think there will be “an oithquake” too :)
Revelation 11:13
“And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.”
The “city” in that verse is Jerusalem, just before the time of the judging of the nations, as spoken of in the Song of Moses.
Islam will of course blame Israel for having an ‘oithquake’ generator but then it’d be too late ... lol
“In time, in time. 1,930 years is a short time when you consider and ETERNAL statute. Read Ezekiel 40-48. The Temple will be built.”
I don’t doubt Ezekiel’s prophecy, but if the commandment can’t be fulfilled in the present time, then I don’t think it’s fair to condemn someone for failing to fulfill it. A partial fulfillment is, I think, just window dressing anyway.
“Islam will of course blame Israel for having an ‘oithquake’ generator but then it’d be too late ... lol”
Lol, even Karl Rove doesn’t have one of those yet!
“Your perspective is too tied into the anti-Temple theology of Christianity to understand why Jesus and His first disciples worshipped there - and were zealous for it.”
Jesus and his first disciples were Jews, of course they worshipped there. Christians are not “anti-Temple”, but we do have a different understanding of the Temple.
The Temple itself was the House of the Lord, but if the Lord has removed his presence from it, it could never be anything more than a building. This is why those who would take it upon themselves to rebuild the Temple today are pursuing an exercise in futility. Without the Ark residing in the Holy of Holies, it would not be a Temple. Do the Jews know where to find the Ark today? If not, then they cannot rebuild the Temple, they can only build an empty vessel.
“You are calling the Almighty a liar.”
Never! Don’t mistake my words, I didn’t say that the rituals commanded in the Torah were in vain, only that performing a “symbolic” ritual that does not conform to Scripture is in vain, unless the Lord be merciful and choose to accept it.
“Your problem is that you do not know what “kapur” [atonement] in Leviticus is speaking about. It is not related to “eternal salvation” as Evangelical Christianity teaches.”
I do understand the purpose of atonement, and you are correct, it has nothing to do with eternal salvation. Christians do not believe that we achieve salvation through atonement, in any form. We believe that atonement is necessary to cover our sins, just as the Torah says. However, we believe salvation is given through the grace of God. This grace can be given prior to atonement, but atonement is still necessary.
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