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To: vladimir998; wideawake
I don’t think there’s any evidence of that.

Dude. Check out any mainstream Catholic evangelical/apologetic book/magazine/publication. It all assumes the inquirer regards Genesis as a troublesome albatross that needs to be shed.

Check out This Rock . . . Catholic Answers . . . any of them. It's written for hepcats. People who don't have the anti-Genesis mentality aren't even addressed. They're ignored. They don't exist.

You would literally have to examine all apologetics and actually know the motives of everyone who wrote those pieces to judge that.

No, I'd just have to be familiar with the material they produce.

Apologetics is aimed at helping people understand the faith.

How is "the faith" to be understood if Genesis is a fairy tale?

It is not aimed at people who have come to one certain conclusion about the literalness of the OT. The very idea is nonsensical.

Only if you're referring to non-existent literature aimed at people who accept the OT literally. But in fact Catholic apologetical literature is aimed exclusively at people who reject the literalness of the OT. That is simply the way it is.

Apologetics in general is about the New Testament, and things specifically Christian, anyway.

If the OT isn't "chr*stian," why did the Church accept it into its canonized, inspired bible? Why not do what the moslems did and just produce your own holy book independently, without an "old testament?"

The rest of your post seems more like an exhausted man’s rant just before he throws in the towel.

I threw in the towel with regard to chr*stianity twenty years ago. I have never thrown in the towel in my position on the facticity of the events of the Torah.

Your last statement reads like it came from someone who not only keeps his own views private, but doesn't even consider the issue very important.

23 posted on 09/14/2010 10:48:49 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Shabbat Shabbaton hi' lakhem ve`inniytem 'et-nafshoteykhem; chuqqat `olam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You wrote:

“Dude. Check out any mainstream Catholic evangelical/apologetic book/magazine/publication. It all assumes the inquirer regards Genesis as a troublesome albatross that needs to be shed.”

Nope. Sorry. You’re basically taking a few examples and assuming it is omnipresent when it is not.

“Check out This Rock . . . Catholic Answers . . . any of them. It’s written for hepcats. People who don’t have the anti-Genesis mentality aren’t even addressed. They’re ignored. They don’t exist.”

I think Catholic Answers treats many traditional things as if they do not exist. That doesn’t mean they have the assumptions you impute to them or that that view is omnipresent in “any mainstream Catholic” work.

“How is “the faith” to be understood if Genesis is a fairy tale?”

I don’t know of anyone who suggests it is a fairy tale at Catholic Answers. Do you?

“But in fact Catholic apologetical literature is aimed exclusively at people who reject the literalness of the OT. That is simply the way it is.”

No, actually it isn’t. You are making an assumption that is simply untenable. You are assuming that apologetics is predicated by an assumption not held by the apologists as to why they exist or work as apologists. This has everything to do with your obsession and obsessive outlook and nothing to do with the reality of why apologetics works are designed.

“I threw in the towel with regard to chr*stianity twenty years ago. I have never thrown in the towel in my position on the facticity of the events of the Torah.”

No, what you apparently threw the towel in on was reason. You seem to mistake every opposing view as opposition to Genesis. You seem to view everything act by every person in every instance as a reflection of their view of Genesis even when it has nothing to do with it. Catholic Answers’ apologetics efforts are not predicated upon a doubting of Genesis - and that is true even if every single person who works for CA doubts Genesis. You are replacing solid cause and effect with your obsession and assumption and nothing else.

“Your last statement reads like it came from someone who not only keeps his own views private, but doesn’t even consider the issue very important.”

No, my last statement reads like an accurate assessment of your posts. You post essentially on one issue no matter what the thread is about. It is your obsession.


24 posted on 09/14/2010 12:20:19 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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