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1 posted on 09/07/2010 2:10:47 AM PDT by markomalley
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Awesome, thanks.


2 posted on 09/07/2010 5:40:53 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Non Catholic question: ... really, Im not Catholic and I dont seek to stir up argument; there are other threads for that kind of debate.

But I was glancing though and I paused at the part where Catholics claim Mary is the woman in Revelation 12 and I found (at least what I consider) an inconsistency here.

The passage in question says the woman cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for her delivery.

My question is this (it really is a serious question and Im not conceided enough to think this is original) ... but if Mary was sinless, why did she have the curse of Genesis given to women during childbirth?

Not a problem for me as a non-Catholic as I think the woman in Rev 12 is the nation of Israel ...

But I was just wondering if some of the theologians up here have an answer for this ...

Again, Im not trying to say “aha I have you now “ ... Im sure there is a Catholic response ... I just dont know what it is and am curious how this issue would be handled. I will not post again to this thread ... Thanks to you all ...


3 posted on 09/07/2010 6:07:59 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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Actually, I dont see CATHOLIC CAUCUS so I think my question is appropriate and I will respond to answers ... thanks.


4 posted on 09/07/2010 6:09:28 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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The apostles never had a "mass". There is no mention of a mass in scripture.. or any type of "sacrifice" or "altar" or "priesthood "

The attempt to make the "mass" biblical by pulling scripture out of context will only please that already believe it

5 posted on 09/07/2010 12:06:00 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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I wouldn't put a lot of stock in believing a literal interpretation of Revelation. Few can give a beginning to end interpretation. Even the Orthodox admit they don't understand the book.

I don't wish to highjack the discussion, but the seven churches of Revelation is a good example. If the Catholic Church was ONE church, why was their a need to address seven letter? And certainly God wasn't happy with all but one.

Burning incense or lighting candles do nothing. As Paul stated:

Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

18 posted on 09/07/2010 6:23:41 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Many Catholics are unaware of how much of the Bible is in the Mass.

When I take them to the sanctuary and show them the sacramentary )the book the priest uses) they are totally amazed.

This is an awesome article. Thank you for posting it.


48 posted on 09/08/2010 9:49:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Additionally I don’t believe many Protestants know how much of the Bible is in the Mass.

But that was the one thing that brought Scott Hahn to the Catholic Faith. ......... the amount of Biblical text in the Mass. Especially the phrase “Lamb of God.”


49 posted on 09/08/2010 9:50:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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56 posted on 09/08/2010 10:06:52 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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Fabulous piece!


60 posted on 09/09/2010 6:03:15 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: markomalley

I read “The Lamb’s Supper” this summer. It’s great. I had not known that Revelations applied so much to what we do now in worship.

Among the things I found meaningful: Jerusalem’s temple is built on the site Melchizedek offered up his bread and wine sacrifice— and it’s also the site Abraham tried to sacrifice his son. So “Moriah” is the site of the sacrifice of the Old Covenant and the site of the sacrifice of the New Covenant as well.

John makes it clear that Christ is both priest and victim by mentioning the hyssop branch and the priestly garment they stripped from Jesus.

Of course the book is full of great stuff about the Mass. After reading it, I’m happier than ever to be Catholic!


70 posted on 09/09/2010 9:35:09 PM PDT by Melian ("There is only one tragedy in the end, not to have been a saint." ~L. Bloy)
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Book marked.

Very nice markomalley.

I was reviewing my Q and A Daily 5 earlier one of todays ?’s was If in China is the person obligated to attend Mass/Holy Days of Obligation?

Short answer was no because it is illegal in China and dangerous to do so.

Like a medical excuse is how I understood it.


86 posted on 09/12/2010 8:23:39 AM PDT by Global2010
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