Posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Norm, you need to read Hinkley’s quote more closely, I provided an expanded citation. Hinkley defined the ‘Christ’ he was speaking of based upon Joseph Smith and his revelations - not the bible. That is a significant difference in definitions. AFA Christ defined in ‘non-biblical’ creeds, sorry no dice norm, those ‘creeds’ find their foundation in the NT, not extra biblical revelations and writings.
She insisted on having a family church..he could have taken her to the Catholic church, but obviously did not want to...
I do not buy books that are not Christian
Of course not....and apparent why they would not. Many would likely be out the door if truth be told. But they will never do so. Just as with all counterfeit religions...the leadership knows exactly how to keep the people in the dark while they continue with their agendas. Islam does this as well thru their Imams....who live a second life out of sight of their adherents...same with Mormonism...you will not see for they have their cause and efforts carefully orchestrated to keep the deception alive to their membership.
The question is not whether a particular church or set of churches recognizes a baptism.
The important question is whether or not God recognizes a baptism.
And that, of course, leads to the fundamental question:
Does the efficacy of baptism depend on which church performs it?
Or does the efficacy of baptism depend something between God and the individual being baptized?
Bingo
If that were true how would they tell the difference?
I believe that a "sincere" belief in Christ necessitates repentence. This is what Paul means he says you must accept him in your "heart". But your point is still well taken, repentence should be mentioned specifically when explaining the Gospel. Jesus' first sermon after being baptized was "repent and believe in the gospel."
ahhh, You quote your leaders saying they (lds) do not worship the Christ of the Bible, then tell me you (lds) worship the Christ of the Bible
That isn't what I asked. Mormonism is not even Christian so they aren't being baptised into Christianity.
"are there any Christian churches, Catholic, Greek Orthodox, or Protestant, that recognize Mormon baptism as a Christian baptism? I'm not aware of any."
The Jesus of scripture is not the spirit son of the father god and one of his wives. The Jesus of the bible is not the brother of Lucifer. The Jesus of the bible did not save men in the garden.
The mormon jesus has not likeness of the Jesus of the bible
Hi Godzilla,
We believe that Jesus Christ who appeared to Joseph Smith is the very same as we read about in the New Testament.
I understood your question. I'm challenging your assumptions by asking you a different question: do you think God cares which church does the baptizing?
Mormonism is not even Christian so they aren't being baptised into Christianity.
Sez you.
How he got there does not really matter.. he and his wife became mormons together he believes it now..he is temple worthy and wears the magic underwear.. he is not a Christian locked into Mormonism for others
He LOVES mormonism
he is not a Christian in drag
hear this video and see the tears on the death of the Mormon prophet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z58eHBnEHhk
The traditional Christ is certainly different from the Biblical Christ. He was referring to the Christ defined in non-biblical creeds that have become the tradition in much of Christianity.
Latter-day Saints believe firmly in the Jesus Christ of the New Testament.
I see we have a brand new word game afoot from mormonism....or is it just a repeat of the early "all creeds are abominable" mantra from Joseph Smith?
Norm, Christians recognize mormons' right to worship any imaginary version of "Christ" they wish to, but that doesn't make mormonism Christian any more than parking a curelom in the garage makes it a car!
Where is your source for this "Christ defined in non-biblical creeds"? The Religion Moderator is a stickler for sources.
But what you may not know is that what you heard and what he meant are two different things. Mormons use the same terms Christians use "salvation, faith, believe" ... but they do not have a Biblical understanding of their meaning; thus the abborant doctrine.
"Sez you"
Outside of the Mormon cult itself, who says differently? Mormonism is something that Christianity agrees on. Greek Orthodox, the Vatican, Protestant churches, as diverse as we think they are, they do agree that Mormonism isn't Christian, but is a different religion of it's own.
So basically you “love” our Mormon political allies so much that the fact they are walking blithely into the very arms of the Evil One himself is of no matter to you, nor the fate of those that they trick into their scam...
And I get called a bigot and a hater...
Wow...
The Jesus of the Christan Bible is not the jesus of the mormons..
The Jesus ot the Christians is ..
Jesus, who is Eternal..
Jesus who is from everlasting to everlasting..
Jesus the Alpha and Omega..
Jesus, the Lamb of God..
Jesus who is God...
Jesus the Word of God...
Jesus who is the Second person of the Trinity..
Jesus who is the ONLY Begotten Son of the Father...
Jesus who was born of a virgin who never had sex with man or mormon god...
Jesus who shed His saving Blood UPON THE CROSS to save us...
Jesus who died UPON THE CROSS to save us...
Jesus who rose again the third day to save us...
Jesus who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings...
Jesus whom the false prophety, joey Smith lied about...
Jesus who never lost or moved HIS Church from the Earth (and why on Earth would He ???)
Jesus the Righteous who has never needed any foul evil Joey Smith to restore HIS Church..
(Anyone saying that JOey Smith so called “restored” the Church that Jesus built is being “insulting, degrading and blasphemous” to Jesus)
Jesus whom Joey Smith the liar never met...
Jesus who destroyed Joey Smith..
Jesus who judged Joey Smith as an unbeliever an an enemy of God and the Church.....
Jesus who condemned the disgraceful unrepentant sinner, Joey Smith to Hell ...
Jesus who is Savior of the Christians as Joey Smith is the false savior of the mormons...
Jesus who will judge who gets into the Christian Heaven while Joey Smith who claimed falsely it would be him is screaming for help in Hell that he earned...
That Jesus...
Apologies R
The entity who appeared to Joseph Smith was and is not the Christ of the new testament but an impostor....Joseph Smith was well known to be involved with occult practices, a historical fact, and for doing so left himself wide open to demonic imposter's, influences and deceptions. Even his own family called him looney.....as well as some of his followers called him out on his practices.
Joseph Smiths writing's have been proved false, misleading and deceptive ever since he began... directly oppossing Christianity...as is also known and documented. These facts have been posted many times and yet not one Mormon has been able to debunk these facts.
Almost all Christian Churches do not include Mormonism as Christian....nor will they anytime soon, though the Mormon organization is trying very hard to turn it's membership toward inclusion with Christianity...and they are carrying that tune to any who will hear. But of course most Mormons are tired of being excluded and will say and do anything it's leadership dictates to have that inclusion. We see this playing out on these threads by the 'seasoned' Mormons carrying that banner....but it is not the banner of Jesus Christ they bare.....it is the counterfeit, impostor Christ.
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