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To: GonzoII; astratt7; kitkat; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg
She was saved by grace alright, but she never sinned

And you know that how? Even your church teaches ONLY Jesus could live a sinless life ..so a bit contradiction in the doctrine it seems

As far as Jesus being the only one who suffered you may want to read St. Paul and how he rejoices in his sufferings...
Col 1: 24 "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church:"

Jesus is the only one that suffered and paid the price for all the sins of the ones that come to Him

You mis-read Paul's words .Do you really believe the cross was insufficient and we must make up the difference?

Paul here spoke of His afflictions suffered to bring the gospel, to grow the church. His afflictions saved no one, and had no effect salvation, even his.

"Christ is "afflicted in all His people's afflictions" (Isa 63:9). "The Church is His body in which He is, dwells, lives, and therefore also suffers" [Vitringa]. Christ was destined to endure certain afflictions in this figurative body, as well as in His literal; these were "that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ," which Paul "filled up." His own meritorious sufferings in expiation for sin were once for all completely filled up on the Cross. But His Church (His second Self) has her whole measure of afflictions fixed. ....Believers should regard their sufferings less in relation to themselves as individuals, and more as parts of a grand whole, carrying out God's perfect plan."
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown

9 posted on 08/29/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Jesus is the only one that suffered and paid the price for all the sins of the ones that come to Him

AMEN!

Rome glorifies the creature when all glory belongs to the Triune God alone.

Sorcery and superstition do not strengthen the church of Christ on earth. They debilitate it and lead men astray.

"Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.

Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.

The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low" -- Isaiah 2:8-12


10 posted on 08/29/2010 10:28:26 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7

How do you know otherwise?


11 posted on 08/29/2010 1:53:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7
Even your church teaches ONLY Jesus could live a sinless life

False.

so a bit contradiction in the doctrine it seems

There is no contradiction. Jesus lived a sinless life because He is God. Mary lived a sinless life through God's grace.

Had the Fall not occurred, Adam and Eve and their children would have led sinless lives as well.

Protestantism errs when it equates sinlessness with divinity. The classic example of this error is the response a Protestant on the Internet once gave to the Catholic dogma of Mary's sinlessness, "Of course she sinned! She's only human" ... thus making sin the measure of what makes someone human! Sin never made anyone human; humans weren't made to sin. Sin only makes us less human and more animal.

15 posted on 08/29/2010 7:27:54 PM PDT by Campion
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To: RnMomof7
"Even your church teaches ONLY Jesus could live a sinless life ..so a bit contradiction in the doctrine it seems"

Can you give me a source?

17 posted on 08/29/2010 8:46:18 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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