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To: OLD REGGIE
Catechism? Is this an "official" documented, referenced list?

I think I'm beginning to understand the problem here. The list I provided is from Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma". He went through all the documents of the Church and extracted specific propositions and tagged them according to the degree of authority behind the statement. For instance some are "de fide" meaning they have been solemnly defined by ecumenical councils or the popes. Some are listed because they arise by necessity from a solemnly defined dogma and others are somewhat undefined, still others are "merely" pious beliefs. I believe there are about 800 in all divided into six or seven degrees of certitude. Each of those 800 items has a paragraph or page explaining its origin, usually a citation from the defining document.

I think my point is that the "Faith" isn't a checklist. There is no Catholic shopping list saying "a dozen eggs, a pound of butter, six lemons, a hamster" because it's supposed to be lived.

620 posted on 08/30/2010 12:58:30 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: Legatus
Catechism? Is this an "official" documented, referenced list?

I think I'm beginning to understand the problem here. The list I provided is from Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma". He went through all the documents of the Church and extracted specific propositions and tagged them according to the degree of authority behind the statement. For instance some are "de fide" meaning they have been solemnly defined by ecumenical councils or the popes. Some are listed because they arise by necessity from a solemnly defined dogma and others are somewhat undefined, still others are "merely" pious beliefs. I believe there are about 800 in all divided into six or seven degrees of certitude. Each of those 800 items has a paragraph or page explaining its origin, usually a citation from the defining document.

I think my point is that the "Faith" isn't a checklist. There is no Catholic shopping list saying "a dozen eggs, a pound of butter, six lemons, a hamster" because it's supposed to be lived. Guess what? I agree with your logic and I agree that there are many "teachings" which do not require the "Infallible" label.

The major problem is this argument is not accepted when proposed by a non-Catholic.

Quoting a Papal Bull, quoting a Papal Encyclical, quoting a well favored Church Father, quoting a Catholic Publication, and on and on is always ridiculed as "not Catholic Teaching" if the "quote" contradicts the opinion of the Catholic "apologetic" of the moment.

632 posted on 08/30/2010 2:08:21 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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