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To: D-fendr
Pride is possible either way.

Somehow I have never felt "pride" in my salvation because I KNOW I didn't do anything. I thought this as a synergist and I'm more convinced of it as a monergist. How a Christian can truly feel pride in their salvation, either way, is a foreign concept in my way of thinking.

It is not a diminishment of God’s power if He wishes real relationships with real people who come to him of their own choice.

God's power is not diminished. It is our preception of His power and our understanding of God that is diminished. The synergistic view of God is a false doctrine that leads to just about every Christian and non-Christian error there is. A person cannot honestly understand and explain the Gospel of John, Romans or the Old Testament where God chose a nation out of the people of the earth to be His testamony. Instead these books become nothing more than moral teachings.

Just ask yourself the question, where does your faith come from-from God or from man? I will confess, it baffles me that Christians cannot give the obvious answer to this question.

5,698 posted on 09/16/2010 6:09:50 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
Somehow I have never felt "pride

I didn't say pride was necessary either way, but possible either way.

When we end up with a cruel and unjust God who creates trash and robots, yes, we have diminished our understanding of God, we have perverted it. I'm sorry, that is the unavoidable conclusion, IMHO, of the Westminster Confession of Faith on predestination that I posted earlier.

The synergistic view of God is a false doctrine

If by "synergistic" you mean a real relationship with real human being, no. True doctrine has to at least start with the obvious scriptural and experience of reality - we have free will, we make choices, choices have consequences, God loves us and wishes us to make good choices. As one poster put it, if you can't put "Jesus Loves Me." on a t-shirt to distribute, your doctrine has gone off the rails somewhere.

Instead these books become nothing more than moral teachings.

Natural law and morality only come from God. Moral teachings plus the supernatural. Who we are, how we deal with other people, who we are in relation to creation and our relationship to God. If you teach a God who acts immorally, your "more than moral teaching" becomes less than moral - not of God.

Remember, we teach Grace, we teach Salvation, faith, Jesus as the Way, the Truth and the Light. This is more than just ethics.

Without "synergism," if this is what you mean, then man is removed from the equation. There is no relationship with robots. Man becomes God by proxy - and all kinds of theological problems result.

where does your faith come from-from God or from man?

I see you don't quite understand the concept of synergy used in the meaning of cooperation. Everything good that comes to us or through us is from God, but we can say no. If we cannot, we might as well not exist, the whole of human history, the whole of Jesus's ministry becomes a farce.

5,703 posted on 09/16/2010 6:31:32 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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