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To: HarleyD
Somehow I have never felt "pride

I didn't say pride was necessary either way, but possible either way.

When we end up with a cruel and unjust God who creates trash and robots, yes, we have diminished our understanding of God, we have perverted it. I'm sorry, that is the unavoidable conclusion, IMHO, of the Westminster Confession of Faith on predestination that I posted earlier.

The synergistic view of God is a false doctrine

If by "synergistic" you mean a real relationship with real human being, no. True doctrine has to at least start with the obvious scriptural and experience of reality - we have free will, we make choices, choices have consequences, God loves us and wishes us to make good choices. As one poster put it, if you can't put "Jesus Loves Me." on a t-shirt to distribute, your doctrine has gone off the rails somewhere.

Instead these books become nothing more than moral teachings.

Natural law and morality only come from God. Moral teachings plus the supernatural. Who we are, how we deal with other people, who we are in relation to creation and our relationship to God. If you teach a God who acts immorally, your "more than moral teaching" becomes less than moral - not of God.

Remember, we teach Grace, we teach Salvation, faith, Jesus as the Way, the Truth and the Light. This is more than just ethics.

Without "synergism," if this is what you mean, then man is removed from the equation. There is no relationship with robots. Man becomes God by proxy - and all kinds of theological problems result.

where does your faith come from-from God or from man?

I see you don't quite understand the concept of synergy used in the meaning of cooperation. Everything good that comes to us or through us is from God, but we can say no. If we cannot, we might as well not exist, the whole of human history, the whole of Jesus's ministry becomes a farce.

5,703 posted on 09/16/2010 6:31:32 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
When we end up with a cruel and unjust God who creates trash and robots, yes, we have diminished our understanding of God, we have perverted it. I'm sorry, that is the unavoidable conclusion,

I would suggest this understanding does not reflect the nature of God. People are under the impression that everyone would want to go to heaven and that God somehow forbid people to do that. The conclusion would be just as you've portrayed it.

Well, what would happen if instead people really want to go to hell? We know God and what He is like but instead of wanting Him, we want to go to hell. In this case God would be on a rescue mission to save some of His people. He would be dragging us out of Egypt. This would certainly paint God in a different light.

I would suggest that Romans 1-3 paint people exactly as wanting to go the hell. They don't seek after God. Some may say why did God create man this way, but Paul answers this with his potter-clay analogy. We cannot presume to know the mind of God except that in everything it is right, holy, and just-filled with love.

we have free will, we make choices

You cannot make choices until you are set free by the Son. Otherwise, what exactly are you being set free from?

As one poster put it, if you can't put "Jesus Loves Me." on a t-shirt to distribute, your doctrine has gone off the rails somewhere.

I would have loved to see Jesus handing out those t-shirts to the Pharisees who He called "sons of the devil" or the "brood of vipers" crowd.

Without "synergism," if this is what you mean, then man is removed from the equation. There is no relationship with robots.

The relationship begins once God opens the eyes of a person and helps them to hear the gospel.

Everything good that comes to us or through us is from God, but we can say no.

I think its a bit persumptious to think we can say no to God. Jonah tried it and it didn't work. If you think I'm wrong, just try it yourself.

5,708 posted on 09/16/2010 6:53:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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