Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
How blind must someone be to believe in “another Christ” and “another mediator?”
Falling-over-the-footstool blind.
"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16
It requires fractions and beer or imaginary numbers and beer. The constant is beer and I don't care for beer. I do like cheap champagne though.
What's more curious is how, if you cross your eyes correctly, 2+2=3
Isn't it odd that most of the theological arguing comes down to Protestants saying Catholics see more than what's there and Catholics saying Protestants see less than is there. At least we have beer... or cheap champagne.
Disabuse yourself of such nonsensical rants. The Sin of presumption is the core message incorporated into Mt 7 21:22. Be one who interprets the bible in accordance with and pursuant to the Will Of God. Renounce pagan prideful interpretations and accept Jesus as you Lord and Savior. Accept the Truth as He will set you free.
INDEED. WELL PUT.
THANKS THANKS.
Iscool saith:
Human philosophy has no place in the Truth of God. ...
Of course, the word "human" might need some exploring. For some it seems to mean little more than "bad", and if that's the meaning, the proposition is unarguable.
But otherwise, then I would offer that it follows that our discussion of the Eucharist "has no place in the Truth of God," since it is an exercise in philosophy to discuss what a thing is, what "real" means, even, to some extent, what "spiritual" means.
If we are going to talk about "bread" "symbol" "truth" and the different possible meanings of "this is my body," I don't see how we can avoid philosophy.
Again, I'm not intending to scare up some straw dogs. I'm calling it like I see it.
And when I'm finished with my St Bernard reading I will reread Fides et Ratio.
Which makes what we see look better than it is. Or it did when I was younger and unregenerate.
"I'm so drunk I see two of you. Fortunately I have two guns."
No, I have my own hardships. That particular handicap belongs to my husband who was taught by Jesuits through grad school.
All the better to know the enemy. Thank God, he was led from that wasteland into the living water of Christ risen, by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone for God's glory alone, according to the word of God and not according to the doctrines of men and fallible magisteriums.
The fictitious "sin of presumption" is just more of Rome trying to corral its members into a pen of its own making.
There's goats in that pen, not sheep.
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
Rome denies Christ. Flee from the idolatry that Rome teaches.
Nope! Please pay attention and brush up on reading comprehension.
The following post provoked my "stupid conclusion" reply.
(#479 narses) Really? You have no Church and yet you want mine to have Dogmas that fit neatly into your understanding? Why?
A very stupid conclusion. What more can I say?
Let me explain in elemental language the proper interpretation of "NONE" in my reply.
(#473) Really? Well then, what are the “official” list of “Infallible” declarations of your Church?
There are NONE!.
Simple isn't it? One question was asked and one answer was given.
My Church has NO self declared "Infallible" declarations nor does it even claim Infallibility for the writings of any of it's leaders. (Sorry - we have no Pope.)
Is that clear?
Our dispensationalist friends often speak of "rightly divided" and at the core of Logos is idea with the sense of 'reckoning' or even 'gathering'. The "lect" in collection shares a root with logos.
The sense of ratio, of order, which is of course bound up with logos, we share somewhat with lower animals. I note at least that cats seem to have a sense of spacial order and like to put themselves in places with special, though merely visual, characteristics.
Be that as it may, I think it NOT good to think of reason in the modern, materialist way of being the specifications for the meat computer in our skulls.
Why it's the drunk piano player.
I really hope I have the reference correct or I'm gonna look like a doofus.
imho, discucssing reason vs other than reason can be quickly very problematic, imprecise and hazardous.
Nevertheless . . . being typically over-eager to rush in where angels fear to tread . . .
here goes again. . . .
MD: From where sit, THAT would be the straw dog.
QX: I can understand that. However . . .
MD: And it’s important to distinguish between the proposition “reason errs” and “Man errs in his use of reason.”
QX: OF COURSE. So, let’s use “MAN ERRS IN HIS USE OF REASON.” However, that would include, for me, trying to load onto reason more than God designed it to bear.
Qx: Most of us have seen the math proof demonstrating that 2 + 2 can equal 5.
MD: I have not. I would like to.
QX: I faintly remember something about it but am far from a mathematician. Someone else will have to rise to that occasion. That was about 1960 or 1961 in Jr High, for me.
MD: I have seen these, what, advices not to depend on human reason, or that it doesn’t apply in this or that sort of instance. But it seems that its inapplicability is alleged when reason seems to lead to a conclusion which is deemed problematic.
QX: I can understand how it seems that way. That’s not my reality.
MD: If I say “(1)Mary is the mother of Jesus; (2)Jesus is God; (3) Mary is the mother of God,” and THEN somebody says that is leaning to my own understanding, or whatever the phrase is, how am to know when I am leaning to my own understanding and when not? What is the ‘canon’ and how is it applied?
QX: I think Angel-Gal does better at answering that. However, I’ll just note that SCRIPTURE INDICATES and my experience with SCRIPTURE AND HOLY SPIRIT IS THAT HOLY SPIRIT MANAGES QUITE WELL ENOUGH FOR GOD’S PURPOSES to direct those who keep their minds stayed on God sufficiently to get them growthfully through the day and closer to God.
QX: The persistent wail fromt he rabid clique type RC’s is that therefore, we are our own Pope’s we have splintered into more factions than the RCC [a veritable impossibility if ther ever was one, imho] etc. etc. etc.
QX: LIFE IS MESSY. Obsessive Compulsive RELIGIOUS types sheltered in various structures and cushioned by a thousand rituals Proddy or RC . . . are INCLINED to want things in tidy little boxes so they can predict and manipulate the little boxes and thereby delude themselves that they are manipulating God to their benefit.
QX: God doesn’t play those games. Yet, He also doesn’t zap the grid on the Skinner box immediately, very often. He takes His sweet time . . . letting us flaunch about and ponder and fuss and spew and flail our arms. Some of us think better than others. Some of us wise up sooner than others. Some of us hear Holy Spirit and obey him easier and quicker than others. It’s all pretty messy. And it takes more time than about any of us think proper.
QX: Still, it’s evidently God’s preferred way.
QX: 1. The messiness allows a greater amount of freedom in THE DANCE between Father and the individual. THE FATHER is teaching the Bride to pay attention to the LEADER in the dance . . . not the Bride’s presumptions, assumptions, predelictions, preferences, hobbies; reference group, congregation, Pastor, Pope, sensibilities etc. but to THE LEADER OF THE DANCE, OUR LORD.
QX: 2. With less messiness, we’d all become much more RELIGIOUS AUTOMOTONS PLUGGING OURSELVES INTO PRECISE RITUALS AND GETTING X DEGREE OF KOSHERNESS OF X LEVEL OF SPIRITUALITY OUT THE VENDING MACHINE’S OTHER END.
QX; 3. FATHER IS NOT ABOUT TO SUPPORT THAT KIND OF HOLLOW RELATIONSHIP AND HOLLOW “SPIRITUALITY.”
QX: 4. HE WANTS A LIVELY, SPONTANEOUS, RESURRECTION LIFE-FILLED, DANCE!
QX: 5. THAT MEANS, HE LEADS MOMENT BY MOMENT. WE FOLLOW MOMENT BY MOMENT—IN RAPT ATTENTION.
QX: 6. YET, IT’S A DANCE—TWO PARTNERS—WE ARE THRILLED WITH HIM—HE IS THRILLED WITH US. WE FOLLOW—HE LEADS US INTO OUR GREATER JOY IN HIM.
QX: 7. Reason can too quickly and too compulsively, too slavishly try and pin things down in such a way as to remove all the messy-ness of life and spirituality. I think at that point, . . . along those lines, those points, reason fails—more than fails—it can become a straight-jacket of horrific error, idolatry, blasphemy, heresy—in any/every congregation, denomination, religious organization of any and every kind.
QX: 8. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE GIVE UP AND THROW REASON IN THE DRINK—THAT’S ABSURD, TOO.
QX: 9. GOD ALSO SEEMS TO LIKE ALMOST INFINITE VARIETY. LOVE GOD WHOLLY. LOVE OTHERS AS SELF. DO UNTO OTHERS. THE VIRGIN BIRTH; CAME IN THE FLESH; DEATH SUBSTITUTIONARILY ON THE CROSS; SHED BLOOD FOR US; RESURRECTION AND HIS RESURRECTION LIFE FOR US. COMING AGAIN. WILL ALWAYS BE WITH US. WE WILL BE WITH HIM. THOSE ARE BASICS.
QX: 10. WALKING ALL THAT OUT; DANCING ALL THAT OUT . . . INDIVIDUALLY AND CORPORATELY IS MESSY. We stumble over our own feet. We step on others’ feet. We fall. We get picked up. We soar. We twirl around. We thrill at His heartbeat.
QX: 11. OF COURSE there will be great differences in execution. Even in perspectives and convictions ABOUT TRUTH.
QX: 12. THE PRIORITY IS FOCUS ON THE FATHER, ON OUR LORD. ON THE DANCE WITH HIM. ON THE RELATIONSHIP.
QX: 13. ALL ELSE IS GRIST FOR THE MILL, FODDER, CHAFF.
QX: 14. ANYTHING—WHICH DETRACTS, INTRUDES, INTERFERS WITH, DEGRADES, HINDERS, INTERLOPES INTO THAT DANCE, THAT FOCUS is hazardous at best.
QX: 15. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW LOGICALLY, HOW REASONABLY ARRIVED AT. ANYTHING WHICH INTRUDES ON THE DANCE IS HAZARDOUS AT BEST.
QX: 16. WELLLL HERE . . . YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU’LL NEED ANOTHER PERFUME IN THIS DANCE—SO HERE’S A BACKPACK FULL. HERE, YOU MIGHT NEED ANOTHER CHANGE OF CAPE—INTO YOUR BACKPACK IT GOES.
HERE’S MOTHER TO RUN AROUND DABBING THE SWEAT FROM YOUR FOREHEAD AND REFRESHENING YOUR LIPSTICK IN THE MIDST OF THE DANCE. OBVIOUSLY ALL THESE ARE REASONABLE AND NEEDED.
MAYBE FOR SOME TUNES YOUR BLUE SHOES WOULD BE BEST. LET’S HANG THEM AROUND YOUR NECK. ALWAYS BE PREPARED. VERY REASONABLE.
AND JOHNNY HERE WILL CIRCLE AROUND YOU WITH MINTS ON A PILLOW ALWAYS AT THE READY. VERY REASONABLE. VERY SENSIBLE.
AND MUCH TALLER BROTHER SAM WILL BE CIRCLING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION WITH A FULL SPECTRUM FLASH LIGHT HIGHLIGHTING YOUR HAIR AND EYES ALWAYS JUST RIGHT. VERY SENSIBLY. VERY REASONABLY.
AND THE DANCE AND DEFINITELY OUR LORD GETS LOST, TAKES A 2ND PLACE TO THE ****REASONABLE**** CARES OF DAILY LIFE AND PARTICULARLY OF !!!!TRADITION!!!! BOUND !!!!RELIGION!!!! which all religion is—in every group, structure and congregation.
QX 17. Reason rationalized that it was better that one man, Christ, die for the whole Nation of Israel the pharisee reasoned . . . little did he know how right he was . . . in a very unreasonable different sense.
QX 18. Sure, one can REASON that given that Mary bore Christ; Christ was life; Christ was the fruit of Mary’s womb; Christ is THE TREE OF LIFE that Mary could be construed similarly. AT that point, reason has become servant to and the shoehorn of idolatry.
QX: 19. GOD’S ATTITUDE THROUGHOUT SCRIPTURE IS THAT NOTHING AND NO ONE ENCROACHES ON HIS SUPREMACY, GLORY, ETC.
QX: 20. IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW *REASONABLE* SUCH ENCROACHMENTS SEEM OR EVEN MIGHT BE.
MD: Can anybody explain this? Can it be explained reasonably? These are real questions, I am not thinking three moves ahead. I just don’t see how the case goes from your side.
QX: DID what I currently can about that above.
MD: Roamer_1 says, Human reason has it’s place, no doubt, but that place is not in trying to discern the things of YHWH.
MD: Is that statement a “thing of YHWH?”
QX: I think I’d have put it differently. I believe that God expects us to use reason to search out the deep things of God. HOWEVER, THAT REASON MUST BE GUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT—DEEP CALLS UNTO DEEP. Otherwise—it’s pontificating magicsterical hogwash regardless of the group involved.
QX: Yes, differences arise. Life is messy. Doesn’t matter. Not the priority concern of The Father. When it is, HE CLEANS IT UP. We can’t.
I earnestly endeavor to be quite attentive to Holy Spirit 24/7 as The Lord well knows.
Rabid clique type RC assumptions so comfortingly off the wall are a blessing in contrast.
However, it does appear that y’all are getting more creative in calling me a lying son of satan. I’ll give y’all 3/10ths of a point for the creativity.
INDEED. LOL.
AND YOUR FOLLOWING ONE AS WELL. WELL PUT. THX.
How sad whether Savior prayed in Jn 17 11: 12 for the opposite result but knew that there would be those who perverted His Will and caused other to follow suit.
You do understand that for every bible verse you render, another can find a verse to question the interpretation of first verse rendered. Therein lies the brilliance of Jesus in establishing the magisterium, of course rejected by you. However, your rejection is interpreted as one of sinful pride.
Jesus commands us in LK 6 27:35 to treat others in a fashion which you desperately need to adopt . Look introspectively and see if you have followed the Masters commands in this regard. God Bless
Hi Dave!
In RE: excessive use of ALL CAPS.
Every time I see it I am reminded of Garrett Morris.
News for the hard of hearing.
OUR TOP STORY TONIGHT, GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO IS STILL DEAD. GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A PLEASANT TOMORROW.
Well, either that or every email from my mother-in-law.
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