Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[wagglebee]

They targetted the Anglicans because they realized that structurally they were most similar to the Catholic Church, they are now just reusing the same template.

The ONLY REASON that groups like the OPC aren’t targetted is because their membership numbers make them to trivial for the left to bother with.

[Mad Dawg]

I’m guessing you didn’t read it.

[Natural Law]

"Why do Catholic priests baptize still born children or dead infants??"

If they do, and I have not heard of a single case, it is not out of necessity, but most likely to comfort a grieving parent. If you are aware of any instances please link them in.

[OLD REGGIE]

There is nothing in Church teaching saying babies go to hell,to say so would be a lie,read the document.

Is there anything in Church teaching which says unbaptized babies will not go to hell?

[kosta50]

There have been and still are, many groups in the Middle East that are in between the four big groups of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Zoroastrianism

Apocalyptic Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism (especially dualism) and through them Christianity. Of course, Christianity then became Hellenized by the end of the first century, taking it up "another notch," bam, bam (to borrow Emeril's famous line).

Prior to Babylonian captivity, the Jews did not have a concept of resident evil. Rather they believed that all evil came from God as punishment for their infidelity. God was the source of good and evil. That all changed in the middle of the 2nd century BC with events leading to the Maccabean revolt.

And in the first millenium, this mix was even crazier with Nestorians, Gnostics, Mazdaism, Manichaenism, Arians, pagan Arabic religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. all vying for attention with the big four.

Don't forget numerous mystery religions as well, and that all of them were borrowing from each other and every major religion, including Egyptian, they could lay their hands on.

[Legatus]

In Ordinatio Sacerdatolis JPII certainly used the formula that was understood to be necessary for a pope to exercise the charism of infallibility. Cardinal Ratzinger said at the time that it was not an infallible pronouncement because it wasn’t actually in question.

On Unam Sanctam I don’t think consulting a bunch of internet canonists is going to help much. I will say this though, “it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff” may not be saying exactly what you think it says. It is absolutely necessary for British citizenship for every human creature to be subject to the reigning monarch... doesn’t mean you have to like it or even acknowledge it. You could probably even vociferously deny it, wouldn’t actually change anything though.

[Iscool]

I appreciate that it is the practice of some Prtotestant sects to mine nuggets from Scripture to affirm what ever point of dogma suits its founder, but you cannot apply the same practice to the Catechism. Unlike a penal code, it must be taken in its entirety. When read and understood in its complete context it makes no such demand on infants for their salvation.

Well that's great...We don't care to hunt in your catechism because when we find what appears to be a definitive statement, you guys claim that it doesn't mean what it says...

So all you guys have to do is tell us the conclusive determination of what your catechism says on any given topic and we'll know what your religion teaches...

So what is the final determination on baptism in your catechism??? Easy, ain't it...

[kosta50]

What I've noticed is that, on occasion, the bigotry of certain anti-Catholics becomes particularly obnoxious and Protestants who realize that bigotry isn't actually something that Christians should aspire to will step in and point out how un-Christian the anti-Catholics are

Well said and spot on.

[Natural Law]

Reggie, Papal Infallibility was not a Church doctrine until 1870. Since then it has only been invoked once in 1950. The criteria declared only applied to one retroactive case, both dealing with Mariology.

You bluster and authoritative tone might work well down at the church hall or when dealing with the ignorant, but it doesn't get you very far when dealing with properly Catechized and thoroughly educated Catholics.

[wagglebee]

Why do Catholic priests baptize still born children or dead infants??

They DO NOT, baptism is only for the living.

We baptise the living because it WILL bring about the birth of water and Spirit.

It is kind of funny actually..Limbo was taught to comfort people as to the fate of the infants and unborn that die without baptism...

Limbo is taught because quite frankly we don't know for a certainty what happens. But we do know that though we are bound by the Sacraments, God is not and we believe that it is His Will that all who can be saved are.

I do find it ironic that an unborn child is deliberately MURDERED every 24 seconds in the United States and there are more than a few who frequent these threads that are far more concerned with condemning the Catholic Church than they are with joining the Catholic Church in hopes of ending the bloodshed.

As a Calvinist I believe that God is indeed merciful but I cling to the scripture 'Shall Not The Judge Of All The Earth Do Right?' because not one of us know the mind of God in this

There is no substantial difference between this and what Catholics believe.

[Natural Law]

"One of the problems with the catechism, even the one found on vatican.va, is that you can find two contradictory comments. So, no matter what a non-Catholic says the official doctrine of the Catholic church teaches with cites from the Catechism itself, someone can come along and tell them they’re wrong, as we’re seeing right now and we’ve seen in the past."

Just because you have access to the materials doesn't mean you are prepared to self-Catechize. Get yourself a good teacher or take some classes at a Catholic university where someone can help you understand it before you make those declarative statements.

[OLD REGGIE]

In saying everything leads to Hope(as in the document I presented)of Salvation all babies that are not baptized fits perfectly with the theme that God is merciful that the Church teaches.Thus infant are in heaven since they cannot refuse the Law of law

Your wishes, not Church teaching.

[Mad Dawg]

The church clearly teaches that baptism is a necessity for salvation, which is why infants are baptized.. FALSE, and not only false but EASILY ascertainable as false. EASILY!

The appearance of contradiction in the CCC is USUALLY resolved by further inquiry. I simply will not give the paragraph citation, but if any of you all, rather than speculating and charging us with the results of your guesses, would actually consult the INDEX (for crying out loud) of the CCC he would find where the topic is addressed.

This is not done in the dark or in a corner. It's in the index!

Clearly the rewards of making unfounded charges which might be wrong are more attractive to you all than the rewards of knowing the truth and acting in it.

Theological query: If someone claims to love Him who is the Truth and yet neglects care in finding the small-t truth, what sort, if any, of love are we talking about?

[Cronos]

quix: There is a verifiable follow-on to Jesse’s Heavenly 5 earth hours visit . . .

BECAUSE of his being in Heaven, He was late to the service to speak in a large congregation church.

As he walked up the asile from the back, he noticed that people were uncommonly staring at him.

He later found out his face, head, were greatly glowing with a moderately bright light from his being in God’s presence.

The pastor and folks from that service have testified to that fact.

ok, so you believe Jesse went to visit God?

[Cronos]

Thanks, however, my question was:

But does God CONTROL AND DIRECT AND MOVE their hands, mouths, feets, thoughts, with utter control? A simple yes or no answer, please

[OLD REGGIE]

I sent t off without remembering that I was intending to ask if any of you can tell me if I am way off base when I posted that I believed that Jesus didn’t “still have much to learn” , because in the Divine Trinity He is omniscient, but rather that He had much to EXPERIENCE.

Yes, He studied and learned.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man.

[Mad Dawg]

The injustice in abortion is done chiefly to the unborn child. The child is a victim of injustice.

Those who perpetrate the abortion commit the injustice. Their fate is more dreadful than that of the child.

[Cronos]

Interestingly, many of the present day Palestinian Muslims may have Samaritan blood....

[Cronos]

Jesse dup comforted the Lord?

When Duplantis was a guest on Benny Hinn’s program in early 2,000, he got into quite a discussion. “I'm going to say something that may sound controversial. Not long ago I was in prayer in my own study, and I know the Lord just like you know the Lord. And man I went in there and started off my day with the lord and said 'Lord Lord how you doing today. It’s going to be a great day. And I noticed the lord wasn't acting right, …cause I know God, you know when your child is not felling good, right. Hinn, right! You know when something, you may not know what it is but he wasn't acting right for lack of a better term. I know God I know him and I know the fulness of his presence , and I know him. And I said something’ wrong. And this is what I'm saying, it wasn't with me. And then it hit me, I said Lord you had a bad day? Now watch this (whenever faith teacher says this you need to pay careful attention, here it comes) I said and he said “Yea my children have been disobeying me” then it dawned on me. I said somebody hurt you today, I said lord I don't ever want to hurt you anymore so lord I’m going to cancel all my appointments and all this stuff that we call ministry and I'm gonna sit here and I don’t know how to say this God for a lack of better term, till you fell better. Cause so many people hurt him that day… Lord I said I'm just going to bless you I'm gonna praise you I'm gonna just call your name. And it dawned on me and the Lord went “Thank you Jesse.” (Interview-This is Your day, B. Hinn Feb. 2,000)

[RnMomof7]

You promise more than your Church does. "...allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism."

Exactly...just some more cafeteria catholic doctrine