Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Most of those at first rapid scan appear to be quite straightforward.
IF
that was the sum total of the Catechism, a LOT of such problems would be over.
I thoroughly agree.
Folks seem to then bounce to the absurdity that you are tossing reason out as totally useless, which I don’t see you doing.
God is both reasonable and beyond reason . . . which is DIFFERENT from being UNreasonable.
Heretical? How? I saw your later post about the misguided litany that young members of the Brazilian TFP made, which was suppressed after controversy. I have never seen anything about Oliviera referring to himself as an "Axiological Principle" and you'd think notables such as Cardinal Stickler and Father Trigilio wouldn't affiliate themselves with him and/or the organizations inspired by him.
I think your response was a straw dog response.
Roamer_1
was not, to me
saying reason had no use ever.
However, as you have noted, it is not fool-proof.
Reason IN ABSOLUTE TYRANNICAL ARROGANT CHARGE can far too easily drive the train off the tracks.
Most of us have seen the math proof demonstrating that 2 + 2 can equal 5.
INDEED.
Their discrimmination skills seem to be
NONEXISTENT
EXCEPT, OF COURSE
when they are splitting hairs
about
the various levels of WORSHIP of Mary et al.
Ignorance of the truth is not a sin.
Bearing false witness is.
You become so exercised at the Truth of Jesus instead of sublimating this sinful PRIDE to the divine will of God. These sins will testify against you on the day of judgment. /p>
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the salvation of souls. Which the restoration of a Christian empire would tend to promote. Where do I sign?
SYLLABUS OF MODERN ERRORS OF POPE PIUS IX
"the Syllabus, as appears from the official communication of Cardinal Antonelli, is a decision given by the pope speaking as universal teacher and judge to Catholics the world over. All Catholics, therefore, are bound to accept the Syllabus. Exteriorly they may neither in word nor in writing oppose its contents; they must also assent to it interiorly."http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14368b.htm
The following statements have been condemned by the syllabus
24. The Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect. -- Apostolic Letter "Ad Apostolicae," Aug. 22, 1851. the church CAN use force
47. The best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power at the pleasure of the rulers, and according to the standard of the prevalent opinions of the age. -- Epistle to the Archbishop of Freiburg, "Cum non sine," July 14, 1864. Free public schools condemned
55. The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church. -- Allocution "Acerbissimum," Sept. 27, 1852. Separation of Church and State condemned 76. The abolition of the temporal power of which the Apostolic See is possessed would contribute in the greatest degree to the liberty and prosperity of the Church. -- Allocutions "Quibus quantisque," April 20, 1849, "Si semper antea," May 20, 1850. Opposition to papal states condemned
79. Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism. -- Allocution "Nunquam fore," Dec. 15, 1856. Free speach condemned
Perhaps you could get some of the RC’s to stop such a relentless demonstration of the latter, then.
PRAISE GOD for His faithfulness.
Sometimes clueless assertions of others are a great encouragement.
In this one post alone there are 30 times when the words “I”, “me” and/or “my” are used.
This is one of innumerable types of your posts where this occurs.
“I must decrease, He must increase”
Earlier on in this thread you told us that it is a Scriptural truth that we must account for every word from our mouth or our fingers. (I don’t have time to look for the EXACT words of that post, but this is very close)
I have asked you if you believed that this “Scriptural truth” also applies to all that you have posted.
I don't see that as a blanket condemnation of public schools. The condemnation is against public schools that are open to everyone should be 1) free from church authority, 2) fully subject to the opinions of the political rulers and the age.
Nevertheless, have you seen our public schools lately? We've done exactly what PX warned against and look at the mess we're in.
I HAVE NO confidence you’d hear or profit from the 3rd, 4th, 5th
discussion of such issues any more than you seem to have the 1st or 2nd.
Thankfully, my Lord Jesus, Father God and Holy Spirit have no such comprehension nor understanding problem.
Fantasize on to your heart’s content.
Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. - I Corinthians 1:18-25
Now is the propitious time to repent of past deeds and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior who forgives you of all past transgressions against His bride.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX THX.
I have enough cluelessness of my own to be responsible for.
I try to avoid feeling or being responsible for others’ cluelessnesses.
LOL.
Enjoy your fantasies.
You become so exercised at the Truth of Jesus instead of sublimating this sinful PRIDE to the divine will of God. These sins will testify against you on the day of judgment.
Apparently we can assume that HIS BRIDE that we reject is what you mean to be the Catholic religion...
What seems to have escaped you and all other Catholics is that I, Quix, and ALL of the Bride of Christ have been judged already...And we have been judged and been found to be JUST...
The Day of Judgment that you refer to will be completely void of Christians...
And not knowing that automatically disqualifies anyone who doesn't know that from knowing who the Bride of Christ actually is...
What you guys mistakenly claim as non Catholic pride is actually a command from Jesus...
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
And BTW, you might want to recheck the definition for 'sublimating'...Perhaps you meant something else...
You’re a Pio Nono fan too? Isn’t he just dreamy?
“The Church has not ... any temporal power, direct or indirect.”
From the Vatican site:
http://www.vaticanstate.va/EN/State_and_Government/
“Vatican City is the smallest independent state in the world in terms of inhabitants and size. It occupies an area of 44 hectares. The borders are represented by its walls and the travertine pavement curve that joins the two wings of the colonnades in St Peter’s Square. Beyond the proper territory of the State, Vatican jurisdiction also covers some extraterritorial areas within and outside Rome.”
“Vatican City State is governed as an absolute monarchy. The Head of State is the Pope who holds full legislative, executive and judicial powers...”
If these aren’t temporal powers, what are they, and what would temporal powers then be?
And what do you call a government ruled by one man “who holds full legislative, executive and judicial powers?”
Hank
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