Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Enough what? You mean they are satisfed? There are plenty of satisfied non-believers.
And why aren't you talking about grace? 8~)
Just the opposite.
Could you define this term, "Free Will"?
What is it? How does it work?
Before Calvinists can be charged with denying "Free Will", it would be helpful to know what "Free Will" is.
So, I'm curious.... in your own words: What Is Free Will?
Thanks!!
Oh we do that when they're not screaming and calling jihads on each other.
Of course... we're VERY eclectic when it comes to music.
DEFINITELY confused If this isn't the most surreal and yet jaw dropping thing...
My Wesleyan roots are showing I've never been able to get past "my chains fell off" without having a breakdown
Really, they sing it and they love it
This too, seriously They REALLY belt it out.
I'm raising an army of Benedict Arnolds?
And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.
So yeah... couldn't get them to sing the Star Spangled Banner for love nor money but they'll belt out God Save the Queen on Christmas morning just as proud as you please... I never have figured that one out.
Isn't He the One who directly inspired the very passage of Joshua which 1000 silverlings is quoting?
He is, right?
Thanks.
Will try and listen tomorrow.
Winding down with
KTLF radio on the net out of Colo Springs
Too many Dickens stories?
Our Anthem is precious as our Anthem with some stirring images etc.
However, musically . . . it’s not that easy to sing.
No, I'm not. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe God has a purpose for everything He does.
God created Satan.
What was His purpose in that? And if His desire is to have the world sinless, then why does Satan still exist? God could erase Satan in the blink of an eye and sin would cease to exist.
From your link from somewhere...
The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.”
Fine. God creates distress and misery. You ok with that?
The NIV translates the word as “disaster”, The New King James translates it as “calamity” ( 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’ ). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the different definitions, one cannot assume that Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.
Certainly one can assume that. "The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil," says your source.
The KJV is the gold standard of Bibles. But guess what? Take a stab at what the Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Bible offers for Isaiah 45:7???
"I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things."
As Leonard says on "The Big Bang Theory" -- BAZINGA!
You’re being too cryptic. And it’s late. Could you just answer all at once? I didn’t understand what you’re saying one of the twins doesn’t have enough of.
Ok, I’ll attempt to explain what I mean here. It’s not going to satisfy you I think. It wouldn’t surprise me if you found it not responsive to the question. But it’s how I’m thinking about it now, and I’m trying to be responsive.
Bear in mind, I’m very wary about generalizing about the path toward God. The end point is the same, the specifics are individual.
Why I’m not attributing it to a measure or lack of measure of grace will become evident.
I believe everyone is drawn toward God, toward love. They may not know it’s God, a great many don’t, they may think it’s just something in one person, they may confuse it with lust. Some confuse it for awe or nature. Perhaps most are not aware of even being drawn. But something is lacking, something is causing unease, often dis-ease - something is lacking and conscious of it at the time or not, they seek it.
It is so subtle, resistant to self, it can spark a reaction of rejection from frustration. Screw it, it’s a useless irritation, I’ll just kill it off. Some choose evil out of anger, frustration, or just to feel - something.
But the draw of God’s love, the desire for conscious contact with God, is foundational to our being, He is our being, and in large measure our lives center around reacting to it: chasing it, running from it, feeding it or starving it.
However it’s not something we can grasp, only something we can allow to grasp us. Like trying to grab water, the more you try the more mess you make of it.
Finally to my answer. And it’s not the answer to what makes those who chose differently choose differently. It’s what may be most similar about them. They have had enough of trying to possess what can’t be possessed, enough of the dis-ease, the lack of real peace, of being without God, with only our self, disconnected from the source of our being.
They surrender. Either in an attitude of giving up or one of trust, they let go of trying to figure it out, to grasp it, to achieve it. They surrender to it.
The old time religion way of putting this theory is: “the only way to win is to surrender.”
Sorry, that’s the best I can do right now in generalizing about the subject. And, again, I’m not at all sure it can be generalized about, I do believe this is a common enough similarity in a reasonably large group of individual humans.
Then, when the pope found out what the speech was about he walked out!
The press account makes it pretty clear there's no there there on this one.
The JPII koran thing has driven me nuts for years. There was some talk several years ago that the pope thought or was told that he was being presented with a book of the Gospels which certainly seems plausible because we Catholics do kiss those and I do hope that's what was really going on there. But everything else suggests he knew what it was.
If it had been me I probably would have ended up getting everyone killed by looking at it and saying "uh, no" and dropping it on the floor. Yet another good reason that I'm not the bishop of Rome.
“lol, lol, no it proves Calvin. It’s called the Plan of Salvation” — this was narrowly discussing the point of double predestination and that God has created evil. On that matter, do you then agree with Dr. E’s points about double predestination and that God created evil? Note, we were not discussing any other of Calvin’s points, just these two.
Do note that we both believe that SALVATION is through Christ ALONE. We cannot save ourselves, we cannot move to that salvation, we can accept the big helping hand that is God’s — and God’s hand does all the work, and to Him all the glory, to us we just must accept. That is our “action”
>> Article: “the complete rule of every aspect of life.”
Except that it’s derived from Christianity. Slight problem there.
Therefore we see at once that there cannot be any such thing as free-will; the very words are a contradiction, because will is what we know, and everything that we know is within our universe, and everything within our universe is moulded by conditions of time, space and causality. ... To acquire freedom we have to get beyond the limitations of this universe; it cannot be found here
It is impossible to respond to a poster who continually changes the question, all the while insisting that a)the question wasn’t asked and b)wasn’t answered, and c)if it was answered, it was in response to the wrong question or d)the issue was never addressed.
In such cases, the poster has an agenda that does not include asking questions and receiving answers.
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