Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Second, Yes, O Legatus, you are right. You can say ALL Pentecostalists are wack jobs. You may not say to a particular Pentecostalist that he is a wack job.
The trick is to be able to stand by and watch truth and reason mangled and your loved ones abused while you remember that we are blessed when people utter all kinds of evil against us falsely on account of our being in the Church.
It's a hard exercise, but a good one.
Not a problem.
Most of the recycled scat is just white noise anymore. It’s the same very tired misinterpretations of Dogma and the constant stuttering clutter of silliness, stupidity that attempts to pass for wit, that causes most of us to avoid “discussion” and I use that word loosely, very loosely.
Good try though, brother!
Considering the amount of “broad brush” infective thrown in any thread relating to Catholicism along with the thinly veiled personal insults it amazes me the graciousness and patience many Catholic FReepers exhibit.
On the other hand the mods can’t be everywhere at all times, if they were they’d be called gods instead of mods.
It is my conclusion that the RM was alerted to it by one of the self righteous smugly arrogant haters that is also one of the worst purveyors of personal insult cleverly hidden behind the use of the word, y’all.
So...let me see if I understand the point you are making.
You write: “...given the Scriptural truth that out of the heart the mouth and fingers speak.”
I will understand, then, that this is something you sincerely believe and that you say it is a Scriptural truth.
Would you say, then, that this same truth applies to all that you post, in the past and up to now?
I'd like to develop this line of reasoning a bit. I try to pay attention to the guidance of the religion moderator but I'd like to know if I'm understanding this correctly:
If I write "Mad Dawg I really appreciate your contributions to this forum" that's making it personal but apparently in a good way.
If I write "I like the way you smear the heretic scum all over the place" it seems to me that's making it personal towards people I regard as heretics, especially if they know that's how I think.
If I write "Mad Dawg your continued use of the word 'thereoff' is, in my professional judgment, a sign of eccentricity run amok" that's making it personal, but if I address you and say "the excessive use of the word 'thereoff' is a sign of a mind gone bonkers"... apparently I'm not actually making it personal even though there's only one person in the entire forum that I know of who does that.
Beyond that, suppose I were to write "You are a fat, hairy, booger brain", that's clearly making it personal so I'm forced to write "All X are fat, hairy, booger brains" which may not be true even in my own opinion.
Maybe my point is that there are all sorts of tricks around the letter of the law and we have a lot of people hereon who have mastered the art of trickery... in big colorful fonts... hereon.
It truly is an herculean exercise of restraint to resist responding in kind to some of the more egregious things one reads here.
I suppose remembering the abuse Jesus endured as He was mocked and spat upon helps.
“It’s a trick to be able to stand by and watch.....”
I’ll say.
Meanwhile, some have become Masters at stilletto-type finessing, i.e.:
“that” is “cowardly”,( really meaning YOU are cowardly, “that” is “lunacy” (really implying that a certain other poster is a lunatic), and so on in this death-by-a-thousand-cuts kind of posting.
So, you've never had a post deleted? Is that correct?
"Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.
Answer a fool as his folly deserves, Lest he be wise in his own eyes."
(Prov. 26:4-5).
I would say well done, Legatus, but I don’t want to get personal or anything.
So instead I will say that when one writes what is an excellent piece of logical cogent thinking, that is something well done.
Reginald Firehammer.... doing his part for America by reminding us what a damned fool looks like.
I am still trying to figure out how the use of the collective y’all in particular and RC’s in general is not personal.
I understand that saying the RC belief is.......is itself not personal. But, that is a far cry from saying RC’s, as that would be short for Roman Catholics, people not beliefs.
I am a Roman Catholic and I am smart enough to understand that much of the garbage spewed here is indeed meant to personally defame and degrade me.
I know and accept this as a condition of being a FReeper and am only put off when the rules appear to be selectively enforced.
Um, I prefer to think of myself as a dieting, clean-shaven booger brain.
I think you have it more or less right. It ain’t about reason. It’s about preventing conflagrations.
I think the rules are, for the most part, about etiquette. They’re an attempt to keep the ‘adult’ at least marginally engaged. One can never effectively prevent insults and verbal abuse, but one can put a sort of damper on them.
I’m just troubled that I need the rules, and that we need them. What a totally lousy witness!
You booger-brain.
As long as it is under the guise of being plural, it's ok to use. In fact, you can use the singular "you", but when called on it by the moderator it can be claimed that it was meant as a plural "you". Then you're off the hook.
Clearly if you are a feelthy papist and I say all feelthy papists are evasive parsing liars I have insulted you. But only by implication.
It is to be hoped that somehow that distinction will help keep the forum from being completely disgraceful.
Plausible deniability. The only plausible thing posted by most of them.
I get it.
Y'all are fast learners. And I mean all of you.
I disagree.
Humans have an infinite capacity
to ‘CONSTRUCTive’ ENDLESSLY
. . . to RATIONALIZE . . . as CONSTRUCTIVE . . .
all manner of evil results.
I would say something like . . .
The logic steps one uses to arrive at
MARY = A TREE OF LIFE
Though I suspect many RC’s end up saying
MARY = THE TREE OF LIFE
THOSE STEPS ARE IRRELEVANT.
WHEN THE END RESULT IS ENCROACHING ON THE SANCTITY OF GOD—that thing which Ferraro cites that Mary ‘naturally’ has part in as, essentially, Jr part of the GOD QUARTET . . .
WHEN that’s the end result—it does not matter how one arrives there.
The young man has wonderful reasons for the nice dinner date, the flowers, the perfume, the jewelry, the artistic motivations to view his etchings . . . the unmarried pregnancy is still wrong.
This is punishment for unbelief, as St. Paul explains later in the same epistle:
Hagee, in is haste to condone the Jewish error of rejecting Jesus Christ (the Messiah) has fallen into that same blindness himself.
Some never seem to tire of fabricating reasons to do that.
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