Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
INDEED.
PARTICULARLY BY THE TIME
it’s all morphed into dogmatized, formalized, INSTITUTION SUPPORTED, SERIOUSLLY PERFORMED RITUALS.
If reasoning can justify it, then it is justified, which is to say okay. So yeah, that makes it okay, almost by definition. It arises from devotion, it exercises the mind and requires thought about our Lord's work of Salvation. It sounds terrific to me, in fact.
Why the anger? What bothers you so terribly about my Catholic faith?
There is no anger and I am not bothered by your Catholic faith.
Perhaps you could be so kind as to explain the applicability of Unam Sanctam to the "Infallibility" formula. I admit some frustration at the lack of response for several years.
So if we say something of Mary which someone thinks is objectionable, it ought to be possible, if not easy, to show what's wrong with it.
For example. Nobody is saying Mary is a tree, really. But she is like a tree in that she bears fruit, namely Jesus. And Jesus gives life to the dying world, so he is a fruit of life. Therefore the tree that bears him is the tree of life.
What steps in that "constructive" are wrong? I GET that the conclusion seems to trespass on the glory of God, but I would say that if the "constructive" is sound, it is the perception of trespass that is awry.
I bought Ratzinger's encyclical at a Catholic bookstore. I paid $7.50 for it. It's published by Pauline Books and Media of Boston.
Perhaps you should spend the few bucks and buy it and read it, like I did. God willing, you'd then see the vile communism that permeates every page.
Christian charity is not socialism, as much as Ratzinger and Rome would like us all to believe.
Once again your calling me a liar is proven to be a lie.
The publisher sells the book for $6.95. So I was over-charged 55 cents...in addition to the $6.95 I wasted on the book since it's not worth the paper it's written on. I've already got Marx' "Das Kapital" in order to understand the lies of communism, so I really didn't need another book supporting the same evil philosophy.
Amen! For those with eyes to see.
How about Unam Sanctam? Is it "Infallible"? Why or why not?
The Jesuits teach never to answer a question, but only to ask the question.
We’ve seen that pattern from the RCs on these threads for years.
Maybe that’s why they never seem to be able to learn something or move past their errors. They don’t have any answers.
You echo the apostasy of Hagee. The word Christian comes from Christ, which is the Greek translation for Messiah. So even if Hagee were correct, he could not be called a Christian. The Jewish people expected their Messiah in the time of Jesus. At first, they thought that John the Baptist might be the One, but he pointed them to toward Jesus:
... Now it came to pass, when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also being baptized and praying, heaven was opened; And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape, as a dove upon him; and a voice came from heaven: Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. (Luke 3:15-17,21-22)
Do you think the Jews who followed the Apostles were mistaken and the ones who followed the Pharisees were correct? Hagee harms the Jews by giving them reason not to accept Jesus until His second coming, when He returns at the End as Judge.
Sure, but pretend that you are not part of the global conspiracy, keep that between you and me, ok?
Me? I am no theologian. If you care to be really specific about your concern, perhaps others here can be of service. Is that the only Catholic Teaching that troubles you?
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
As we can see, Jesus says you are wrong...Some Jews may get saved along the way but God has blinded the minds of the Jews until the times of the Gentiles has been fulfilled...
What John Hagee is doing is making sure you guys don't steal the promise given by God to Israel...And of course, you can't steel the promise...But you can mess a lot of folks up with your false theology along the way...
I believe it is an open thread. The posting includes many critical statements about each other's faiths. However, some seem only willing to dish out and avoid defending their own; some seem afraid to even state their own.
THERE IS NO CATHOLIC TEACHING WHICH IS SO CLEAR IT CANNOT BE DENIED, MODIFIED, OR RE-INTERPRETED AS REQUIRED!…
What is the teaching of your church and how can it be modified or reinterpreted.
If my comments were indeed deleted due to my use of an acronym for male cow dung I have two comments about it.
First, I would like to apologize to my fellow Catholic FReepers for inadvertently giving the haters here an opportunity to further defame you.
Second, I would like to know why my comment using that acronym was deleted when I have seen it used many times here. In fact, this morning I have seen it in three separate comments in different threads none of which were deleted.
Not complaining and if I have violated the rules, I deserve rebuke, but it seems to be an arbitrarily enforced rule.
I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding the "don't make it personal" rule. As far as I can figure it if someone were to say "you are a dufus" that's making it personal, however saying "everyone who believes X is a dufus" is not making it personal. Except... it doesn't work because it's not usually the case that everyone who believes something is a dufus, usually it's just the dufus who's being a dufus on the forum who is the dufus... or a liar or malicious or mentally unstable.
So when someone makes a stupid statement stupidly, all the people who are associated with that person get tarred with the same stupid brush.
On the other hand the mods can't be everywhere at all times, if they were they'd be called gods instead of mods.
Let us please ignore the historical fact that virtually ALL dictatorships have been secular, NOT Catholic. But by all means, keep straining at the gnat while swallowing your camel.
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