Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[OLD REGGIE]

Epistles of Ignatius - Worth a read (for the open minded).

[Dr. Eckleburg]

It's up to you to check it -- just like all your links

lolol.

That's not how it works, Cronos. When I post a link it is not IN PLACE of explanation; it is to augment the explanation I'm offering in the post.

I respect the discussion enough to read the links and discuss exactly what the links are saying.

OTOH, you have not discussed what your link says because you've agreed you do not know what the link is even talking about.

You bizarrely state it's my responsibility to read a book you haven't read yourself. In a debate it's YOUR responsibility to read anything you offer in support of something (who knows what?), and then others can discuss it.

So again, when you figure out what this guy is saying and why he's disagreeing with the OPC, you be sure to let us know.

Until then, we'll know just as much about this disagreement as you do -- which is nada.

[Quix]

NOW, NOW,
DEAR HEART,
YOUR HEAD IS
MUCH TOOOO VALUABLE
TO US
TO TREAT IT THAT WAY!
THAT SORT OF EDUCATIONAL EFFORT
SHOULD BE LEFT TO ROBOTS
WITH STEEL HEADS!
LOL.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

ROTFLOLOL! That’s a keeper.

[D-fendr]

My only point was the conclusion should flow from the most correct interpretation, rather than the other way ‘round.

[Quix]

GLAD I could offer you some Sat morning humor.

[D-fendr]

excellent post, thanks..

[OLD REGGIE]

I was posting Aquinas not as authority to be swallowed whole least of all by people who don’t believe in, well, a whole bunch o’ stuff.

So the point is that he addresses the issue. It feels a little ridiculous to have to mention this, but I think Aquinas may have looked in a Bible once or twice.

I think the protasis is important in your problematic text. (Do you know what it’s a quote from?) Aquinas also thinks that prime matter is made of the four elements. And he didn’t think the “conceptus” was human until weeks after conception. (He was still against abortion.)

I do not agree with either of these thoughts of his. But they were excommunicating heretics, and running them out of town and/or killing them long before and long after him. We don’t kill forgers and most malefactors these days either. And nobody had started doing real chemistry, and he didn’t have the knowledge of embryology that we have.

I don’t see the relevance of these things to his usefulness in working out transubstantiation.

I am left wondering just you posted Aquinas in the first place unless it was to "justify" the Catholic teaching that all the elements were present in either the bread or the wine.

Yes, Aquinas in all probability did look at a Bible every now and then. Please enlighten me as to where he found anything where it is suggested that either the bread or the wine were seperately interchangeable in the Comunion.

I suggest your "working out" transubstantian is based on extra-Scriptural "tradition".

[Quix]

Did you catch any of the videos in this link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=3682#3682

about our treasured FREEPER VET who handled the UFO debris his father brought home when he was 10-11 near Roswell?

. . . the experienced authority the RC Rabid Clique folks insisted did not exist . . . .

[OLD REGGIE]

The wrenching out of context and misconstruing was so obviously lame and so easily pointed out that, though a few on the non-Catholic side applauded, the minute the pointing out process began they all melted back into the night.

OK, I must have missed it. But then, I sometimes even miss my mouth when reading and drinking coffee at the same time. (Just did, but missed the computer.) :-)

[Quix]

I know that phenomena, too.

[The Comedian]

I dont' get involved with threads that have over 1000 posts, sorry bro.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[Quix]

ahhhh wellll . . . it was UFO related and some outrageousness regarding our beloved ROSWELL debris handler Dr Jesse Marcel Jr so I thought you MIGHT be interested.

[marbren]

most correct interpretation

What if the most correct interpretation is false?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I don’t share your leanings regarding UFO reports, although I am interested in reading about them. I don’t doubt those people experienced something; I just don’t think it’s extraterrestrial. Basically, I’m content to tackle the villains of this world. 8~)

[OLD REGGIE]

Nah, more like pointing out how the Unitarians do not believe in the Trinity and the UUs also deny the divinity of Christ. aNd then one of their own is accepted as a Protestant because he denies the Trinity using sola scriptura.

SPITWAD!

[Quix]

That’s roughly how I had your perspective catalogued. LOL.

Thx anyway.

[D-fendr]

What if the most correct interpretation is false?

That's a contradiction; it can't be both.

[marbren]

I just don’t think it’s extraterrestrial

IIRC The Pope tends to believe in the extraterrestrial. I tend to believe that the experiences are extradimentional Satanic and probably a big part of the soon coming future great end time deception. They may even fool the Pope.

[OLD REGGIE]

These "few years" have been the last several decades when all of us have been alive, not some event in the distant past. Basic errors like that don't lend to credibility on other matters dealing with the Catholic Church.

Are you suggesting that the Bread and Wine have been offered to the congregants in all churches lo these several decades?