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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
You are welcome. The trolls are not.
Celian doesn’t have a lot to do with Transubstantiation. But the Catholic teaching on the presence of Christ in either species means I can say to the guy who has celiac disease,”No Problem! YOU got all He has to give in the Sacrament,when you shared in the Precious Blood.”
I believe that they are part and parcel of the Biblical END TIMES GREAT DECEPTION BECAUSE they will be extremely persuasive about “creating man,” bioengineering all the religious greats of history—FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING PURPOSES—including Jesus—performing miracles through their technologies—and purportedly having very convincing 3D holographic “histories” “proving” such.And I take that to say they will bioengineer Jesus. Do you disagree?
Question for you: Did you read all of Quix's comments? If so, do you believe them? I'm not asking if you believe Quix believes them, I think he does. But do you believe them?
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Though I beg to differ . . .
I think we agree on quite a BIT more than that crucial issue.
Johnny come latelys with attitude
don’t deserve a restatement of my extremely kosher Christian beliefs and confessions of faith.
UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH.
I won’t quibble with you at the moment.
He said giving women who already buy into the UFO abductions, visionary experiences of having sex with them.
He said something that sounded like actually having sex with them and then corrected himself.
Are there not women who believe stuff like this has happened to them?
UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH BEGINNING TO END.
I’m beginning to wonder if some of them have the
CAPACITY
to read above a 3rd grade level.
Or is it that their seething bitterness clouds their vision?
I believe that they are part and parcel of the Biblical END TIMES GREAT DECEPTION BECAUSE they will be extremely persuasive about “creating man,” bioengineering all the religious greats of history—FOR SOCIAL ENGINEERING PURPOSES—including Jesus—performing miracles through their technologies—and purportedly having very convincing 3D holographic “histories” “proving” such.
That's all it says. Quix didn't say that he thought Jesus was bioengineered. Good grief. Read something before you try to run with it.
B.
Definitely “B”
There are verified cases where the pregnant woman visited her OBGYN say on Tuesday. Everything was fine with the baby, ultra sound, the whole checkup.
Tuesday night the woman is abducted and remembers parts of it, including that her baby is taken from her womb at the end of the first trimester.
Wednesday, she goes back to the OBGYN and there is no baby in the womb.
The problem is not so much with how much you get right, but how badly you may be getting things wrong.
This is the difference between Islam and the LDS.
Islam acknowledges a God Who is eternal, having always been God, from all time, is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. The Muslims acknowledge that He is the Creator ex nihilo, that He is the Supreme Being and there is no one like Him. He is impassable. They acknowledge (although they wouldn't use good, Catholic language like this) that He is of a different substance, a different nature from us.
Ontologically, that is God, as known and knowable through natural revelation. In fact, with human reason unaided by supernatural grace, that's about all one CAN know about God.
Interestingly, they also believe that Jesus is the Word of God, conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin, Mary. They believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But not God. Sounds kinda sorta like Arianism. It sounds more Christian than some of the pseudo-Christians running around this spiritual “open” sewer.
The Muslims get some key things wrong, but mostly get most of the basic God stuff quite right. And they get EVERYTHING right that is knowable via human reason unaided by supernatural grace. The old God of the philosophers.
Mostly, the Muslims get nearly everything right that they've got, but they fail to get the whole picture, they fail to get it all.
But they get very little actually completely wrong.
But the LDS, on the other hand, believe that God is basically a junior level executive in a very, very large multi-level-marketing scheme. He has his own god, who has his god. They all sold enough product to get their own planet to make their own spirit children, etc., etc.
No ontologically supreme being here. No omnipresence. No being God from all eternity. He isn't impassable. He is not of a different substance from us, we share his nature and his substance.
This is a different fellow. Not God, but a god. Not monotheism but henotheism.
The LDS, unlike the Muslims, get a whole bunch of things wrong about the ontology of God. In fact, they get nearly EVERYTHING wrong about the ontology of God.
Thus, it's difficult to posit that the god of the LDS organization is the actual Supreme Being. This is why we Catholics don't recognize Mormon baptism.
I think that on the current question, it's unclear whether the belief system presented is more like the former or more like the latter. In terms of the analogy (obviously, Muslims aren't Christians, but one COULD say that they are “bad monotheists who poorly believe in the One God” - conversely, LDS are not monotheists - at all), the question is whether in the current case, it is more like the former or more like the latter.
I think that the most reasonable conclusion is that the jury is out.
I have seen no evidence that would persuade me otherwise. At all.
sitetest
they will be extremely persuasive about “creating man,” bioengineering all the religious greats of historycan mean: they will be extremely persuasive.. and they will bioengineer. Either way I think it's picking a nit on a thousand pound gorilla.
Merely exploring your thoughts on this matter.
Then why are the Catholics running with it claiming that the non-Catholics on this forum think that Jesus was bioengineered by space aliens?
It was Catholic posters who took it and misrepresented what Quix said without the courtesy of going back to him and asking for clarification.
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