Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
No on all accounts of the blood and flesh. By “real” we mean real in substance and as in the “Real Presence.”
If we are in error, it is an error that goes back to Jesus first teaching of it to his disciples (the ones that stayed after he told them). And it goes back to Paul’s admonitions to the Corinthians, continues in Acts, in the earliest documents we have of Christian practice and all the way up to and through Luther.
That this is an error started, in fact, some time after the Reformation.
The Holy Eucharist was instituted by Jesus, practiced by his Apostles and His Church and continues to be practiced today.
The “error” of the Real Presence is a relatively recent innovation.
Concentrate on Mt 7 1:3 . It is good to allow God to judge the hearts and refrain from self serving testimony.
Accept Jesus as your personal savior. Do not rely on space cadets, new age mumbo jumbo, crystals and divination to conjure up the spirits of the dead. The bible forbids their use.
I'm assuming by this you mean having the accidents of blood and flesh rather than wine and bread. If you know or have been taught what we believe about transubstantiation and the Holy Eucharist, why would you expect that.
If we were taught what you think we believe, don't you think we would expect what you expected - and notice?
Bingo!
It's like this:
regular days, "ordinary" days, begin at sunup (or after midnight, usually) and end at the next sunup. So we read that day's morning and evening prayer. Likewise with memorials and commemorations.
Feasts and Solemnities (high octane feasts) begin the evening before.
Here's a fun example (well, I like it ...)
For the church as a whole, Dominic, while a major saint, gets just a "memorial", though a required one, not an optional one. That means (a)If you pray with the whole church, there will be some different passages of Scripture or from the hagiographies, and some different psalms. The Mass will just mention him in prayer.
If you're a Dominican, though, it's a "solemnity". so it gets an 'eve' (evening prayer the night before) and unique psalms and readings and prayers, and the Mass will include a high ppm incense, music, and general putting on of the dog.
Easter is a special, and interesting case -- as well it ought to be. You could say, and not be far wrong, that it begins Thursday night, with the foot-washing we are said not to do, and other special stuff, including a vigil, for those who care, until midnight.
Friday is heavy duty. LOTS of prayer, and a required fast (for the healthy) of only one meal and two snacks which added together are less than a meal.
Saturday is pretty unstructured, but for many of us is a kind of modified lax fast, and lots of rest and prayer.
Then after sundown, when it is fully dark, we have the greatest service of our year. It's too much to describe.
So, yeah, big days -- and Sunday is a big day -- get an 'eve'. You got it right. And I punished you with too much information.
Yes..here’s a suggestion...Look up the following definitions and learn them well before you begin...
Mocker
Mockery
Sometimes encouraging self examination is the best advice one can give to one asking for suggestions.
In light of these shocking admissions a full spiritual catharsis is needed to regain favor with the Lord. This situation is akin to Jonah preaching to those in Nineveh.
Let us all pray for the soul of those addicted to paganism.
At least it doesn't taste like feet.
To be fair, i think some on our side give as good as they get.
But more basically, their side does not believe, seriously, in 'basic human decency."
The very phrase smacks of Justin, of Catholic humanism.
Look at this: Their side reads "vain repetition" and thinks that ALL repetition is vain (despite the repetition of psalm 136). They read "vain philosophy" and think all philosophy is vain, rather than the bizarre pseudo philosophies of the Gnostics.
As it happens, I turn out to have read a little more Plotinus than have most people, and I can tell you he also thinks little of the Gnostics. Neoplatonist though he was, he thought what we call "creation" was good (as Scripture says).
They think that everything touched by the Fall and its curse is so irredeemably evil that we can trust nothing but Scripture. So the idea of a general revelation or "natural law" concept of "basic human decency is unacceptable to them.
We Catholics wrestle with the idea of "sacred slaughter" as it is presented in the OT. Many of our non-Catholic brethren understand "herem" all too well, and only grudgingly acquiesce to Paul's teaching in Romans that there is a 'natural' revelation, albeit incomplete, to all.
We view the ability to get along in a diverse society as a triumph of charity in Christ. They view it as an unpleasant compromise. Some of us, at any rate, look to build on the things we share. Most of them (it seems) cannot rest but MUST point out and make the most of the points in which we differ. They think God demands that they rip up every pregnant theory and every innocent suckling proposition and leave no one alive.
This attitude tends to make conversation awkward.
Well put.
And I think the dualism qua Gnosticism explains in part the attitude towards beauty particularly in places of worship. Also, the concept of God also revealing through our senses, smells and bell, totally taboo in a physical (bad) spiritual (good) dualistic view.
Leary was a piker compared to this stuff - and he had the assistance of massive doses of psychotropic drugs.
Timothy Leary on LSD, 'shrooms and steroids wouldn't have come up with this stuff.
Metmom asked if we expected everyone to understand the Most Holy Trinity if they were to be saved.
I don't expect that.
Quix and I disagree about almost everything EXCEPT that the only heart worth having is one given to God in Jesus.
I would say the only truth in the grim Aztec sacrifices is that unless a heart is given to God, it is not only no good but a source of sorrow forever.
Much as we infuriate one another, I think by the grace of God Quix and I have found that one place where we agree:
Jesus is LORD! AND He is Lord of our hearts.
And let us pray, with tears, as my Holy Father Dominic did, for those who do not believe. Their current torment can only increase unless their hearts are opened to a Universe governed by Love. I am sorry for their pain.
Excellent.
I get the impression many of them are quibbling on certain aspects of Christianity or refusing to accept christian doctrine
Weasel words is the favorite vehicle of these mendacious creatures.
Until such time as a unadulterated profession of christian faith is made any self serving testimony is suspect. May Jesus have mercy on their souls.
“To be fair, i think some on our side give as good as they get.”
Oh, baloney. All that I see is that there are some Catholics here who will no longer put up with the verminous non-Catholic dreck who pollute this forum with noxious spiritual sewage, and have decided that turnabout is fair play.
I've been here a little while and have seen it all develop over time.
“But more basically, their side does not believe, seriously, in 'basic human decency.'"
I think you're on to something here.
And thus, they have none.
“They think that everything touched by the Fall and its curse is so irredeemably evil that we can trust nothing but Scripture. So the idea of a general revelation or ‘natural law’ concept of ‘basic human decency is unacceptable to them.’”
Yes. As Fr. Balducelli put it in Religion 101 some 30 years ago, Catholics are deprived, Protestants are depraved. The deep truth of this never hit home to me until I started reading the open sewage threads on the Religion Forum of Free Republic. LOL.
I guess what you're really saying is that non-apostolic Christianity really is as deficient as the Church teaches.
I agree.
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“I think Quix is Christian.”
Sorry, I think that there isn't enough evidence to make that claim. Much of the... ahem... *er*..., *theology* explicated herein raises issues of basic belief and even ontology.
I think that it's safer to say that the question is not satisfactorily answered at this point.
sitetest
What's the difference between a gold ring and a wedding ring? Is the difference "real"? Is the difference measurable?
Is justice "real"? Is Love "real"? how much do they weigh, what color are they, what do they smell and taste like?
When you die, will the dead body be "really" you? Is what makes you you "REAL"? How much does it weigh?
The other day, somebody committed murder. On the same day, somebody killed a man in self-defense. Is the difference betweeen self-defense and murder 'real'? How much does it weigh and what does it taste like?
The other day, a father kissed his daughter goodnight. A child molester kissed a little girl. Is there a REAL difference between those acts? What color is it?
Some think "real" means "material", except when they don't think about it. When they don't think about it, they know perfectly well that there is a 'real' difference between murder and self-defense.
But in an instant, is seems, they forget what 'real' means.
;-)
Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZk5vaoZcKE&feature=related
One of the most beautiful hymns ever created and written by St. Thomas Aquinas around 1260 perhaps?
Nuff said. The hymn speaks for itself
(Quix, work with me here, I don't have the energy for the courtesies.)
I am sure I have done things the evil of which is more apparent to Quix than to me. And, "for completeness", I am sure I have done or said good things which Quix mistakenly thinks to have been evil.
And mutatis mutandis.
I am not an indifferentianist (is that correct? I hope you know what I mean.) I think if a "charismatic" Catholic group were to meet Quix and get him into full communion, it would be WONDERFUL!
Do I think Quix is "in error"? You bet. Do I think He loves Jesus? I think he does the best he knows how.
That love is not of human origin. It is from God.
In the phrase "separated brethren" I will always insist that "brethren" is MORE important than "separated", which is also important.
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