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Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Pray tell what type of services was Amiee Semple providing in Thailand. When I was flying there in the war there were many services provided by the surrogates of the Semple one perhaps influenced by UFOS. The delights were guaranteed to redirect ones attention from immediate health problems.
Yet, I was not familiar with the Four Square service which you mentioned. Is it similar to entertainment in Tijuana or is it more refined to cater to Aimee’s Topeka tastes? Was the Semple one herself a UFO or some type of apparition or was she just a working girl enslaved by the harsh realities of the day.
HEY BRO & SIS PRODDYS . . .
Get a load of the ‘high class’ [/sar] rather transparent references to the sex shows and sex trade in Tijuana and Thailand impying that Aime Semple McPherson had any such associations or proclivities.
I guess the rabid clique RC’s are getting desperate tonight.
UNMITIGATED DAFFYNITIONARY NONSENSE.
Without Mary’s yes(fiat) There is no Incarnation.
Her Co operation is there whether you like it or not
Pope JP II explains...
The Blessed Virgin’s role as co-operator has its source in her divine motherhood. By giving birth to the One who was destined to achieve man’s redemption, by nourishing him, presenting him in the temple and suffering with him as he died on the Cross, “in a wholly singular way she co-operated ... in the work of the Saviour” (Lumen gentium, n. 61). Although God’s call to co-operate in the work of salvation concerns every human being, the participation of the Saviour’s Mother in humanity’s Redemption is a unique and unrepeatable fact.
Despite the uniqueness of her condition, Mary is also the recipient of salvation. She is the first to be saved, redeemed by Christ “in the most sublime way” in her Immaculate Conception (cf. Bull Ineffabilis Deus, in Pius IX, Acta, 1, 605) and filled with the grace of the Holy Spirit.
3. This assertion now leads to the question: what is the meaning of Mary’s unique co-operation in the plan of salvation? It should be sought in God’s particular intention for the Mother of the Redeemer, whom on two solemn occasions, that is, at Cana and beneath the Cross, Jesus addresses as “Woman” (cf. Jn 2, 4; 19, 26). Mary is associated as a woman in the work of salvation. Having created man “male and female” (cf. Gn 1:27), the Lord also wants to place the New Eve beside the New Adam in the Redemption. Our first parents had chosen the way of sin as a couple; a new pair, the Son of God with his Mother’s co-operation, would re-establish the human race in its original dignity.
Mary, the New Eve, thus becomes a perfect icon of the Church. In the divine plan, at the foot of the Cross, she represents redeemed humanity which, in need of salvation, is enabled to make a contribution to the unfolding of the saving work.
Mary is our mother in the order of grace
4. The Council had this doctrine in mind and made it its own, stressing the Blessed Virgin’s contribution not only to the Redeemer’s birth, but also to the life of his Mystical Body down the ages until the “eschaton”: in the Church Mary “has co-operated” (cf. Lumen gentium, n. 63) and “co-operates” (cf. ibid., n. 53) in the work of salvation. In describing the mystery of the Annunciation, the Council states that the Virgin of Nazareth, “committing herself wholeheartedly and impeded by no sin to God’s saving will, devoted herself totally, as a handmaid of the Lord, to the person and work of her Son, under and with him, serving the mystery of Redemption by the grace of Almighty God” (ibid., n. 56).
The Second Vatican Council morever presents Mary not only as “Mother of the divine Redeemer”, but also “in a singular way [as] the generous associate”, who “co-operated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the work of the Saviour”. The Council also recalls that the sublime fruit of this cooperation is her universal motherhood: “For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace” (ibid., n. 61).
We can therefore turn to the Blessed Virgin, trustfully imploring her aid in the awareness of the singular role entrusted to her by God, the role of co-operator in the Redemption, which she exercised throughout her life and in a special way at the foot of the Cross.
NONSENSE.
The Lord could have raised up a virgin descendant of David from a local rock.
We do not know what color her hair was. Paintings usually show her with brown hair but she descended from David and his hair was red.
The Lord could turned you into a frog too. Neither is a reality,is it?
Agreed.
And yes, for the irony-deficient, I am hinting pretty directly that this thread is on the same level as garden variety anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
JPII didn’t think it was, or it would have become Dogma.
A really accurate picture probably shouldn't show her hair at all. Strict Orthodox Jewish women usually don't let anyone except their husbands see their hair, AFAIK. Here's one that dates about a thousand years closer to the actual events than we are:
“”JPII didn’t think it was, or it would have become Dogma.””
Are you going to tell me that Christ’s divinity was not actually a dogmatic teaching until the council of Nicaea as well?
We know it was true before than because the early Church believed it .
Dogmas serve to put an end to heretical teaching as well in case you don’t know
Frankly, what I'm about to write is hilarious considering that on this thread there are Catholics arguing over the degree of assent one must give to the teaching of JPII and whether the BVM is the co-redemptrix and/or the mediatrix of all Graces, but such is life.
People who listen to the quiet voice inside, open their Bibles and search for themselves come up with opposing views that are fundamental and quite incompatible. Some will tell us that Jesus Christ is God, others will tell us that He was created and therefore not God. Some will claim that there is no Trinity, others that there is a Trinity. Some people claim that once one is saved there is nothing that can separate a person from God, others will assert that salvation can be lost. Some claim that Baptism is regenerative, others say not. That's just off the top of my head based on threads I've seen recently right here in the religion forum. All of them will base their beliefs on a right interpretation of Sacred Scripture and the personal guidance of the Holy Ghost.
What I find particularly fascinating is that most of the people who hold such diametrically opposing views will ignore them whenever they share a disagreement with Catholic doctrine. People who disagree on whether Jesus Christ is God will ignore what is truly the most important question anyone can answer if they can attack Catholicism for what the Church teaches about Mary, or any distinctively Catholic belief.
Luke’s genealogy is usually considered to be that of Mary:
who was of Heli, who was of Mathat, Who was of Levi, who was of Melchi, who was of Janne, who was of Joseph, Who was of Mathathias, who was of Amos, who was of Nahum, who was of Hesli, who was of Nagge, Who was of Mahath, who was of Mathathias, who was of Semei, who was of Joseph, who was of Juda, Who was of Joanna, who was of Reza, who was of Zorobabel, who was of Salathiel, who was of Neri, Who was of Melchi, who was of Addi, who was of Cosan, who was of Helmadan, who was of Her, Who was of Jesus, who was of Eliezer, who was of Jorim, who was of Mathat, who was of Levi, Who was of Simeon, who was of Judas, who was of Joseph, who was of Jona, who was of Eliakim, Who was of Melea, who was of Menna, who was of Mathatha, who was of Nathan, who was of David, Who was of Jesse, who was of Obed, who was of Booz, who was of Salmon, who was of Naasson, Who was of Aminadab, who was of Aram, who was of Esron, who was of Phares, who was of Judas, Who was of Jacob, who was of Isaac, who was of Abraham, who was of Thare, who was of Nachor, Who was of Sarug, who was of Ragau, who was of Phaleg, who was of Heber, who was of Sale, Who was of Cainan, who was of Arphaxad, who was of Sem, who was of Noe, who was of Lamech, Who was of Mathusale, who was of Henoch, who was of Jared, who was of Malaleel, who was of Cainan, Who was of Henos, who was of Seth, who was of Adam, who was of God.
This TFP group shows up at all the tea parties and pro-life marches. I am dubious as to whether they can contribute anything other than mischief during elections.
Very rarely have I seen religious people be effective in elections here in the northeast. An exception might be Scott Brown, as half the volunteers in headquarters were social conservatives. But more often, religious people engage in political folly and mistake it for virtue.
In Conn., the pro-lifers followed Peter Schiff for Senate ... right into the nearest ditch. Somebody will have to write the sequel to “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.” It will be titled “Right-Wing Marginalism is a Mental Disorder.” Perhaps TFP could be a case study.
OUCH
SIGH.
TFP dictators: is Hal Lindsay expecting them pre-trib or post-trib?
Obama is as well dubious as to the legitimacy of any and all religions as premise for public discourse or legislation.
There is a reason the Founders codified free speech and freedom of religion in our Constitution -they are tied at the hip. There can not be one without the other in a truly free market of ideas and legitimate plurality founded under God premised upon the unalienable He so endowed...
I recall Jim Tedisco conservative pro-life candidate NY20 who lost by .00001%. Most people working hard for him were conservative unchurched secularists. The church folks I spoke to in the district had no interest.
Christians helped Joe Miller this week in Alaska. But here in the Northeast, pro-life Christians are ineffective at politics because they are very bad at it. That was my point. That TFP is irrelevant because they don’t know much about politics.
I am accusing them of beig fools. And that is not a good thing to be.
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