Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
RC apologists are hard at work, rewriting history and hoping to draw more men toward the idolatry of the mass, Mary-worship and pedophile "alter Christus."
It won't work.
This maternity of Mary in the order of grace began with the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, and lasts until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this salvific duty, but by her constant intercession continued to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.(15*) By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and cultics, until they are led into the happiness of their true home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix.(16*) This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.
As long as you don't worry too much about that whole "free will" thing.
Thankfully, God did not stop the Reformation with Luther. He continued to reform the church then, as He does today.
Oh and I’ve been a few times to Rome and to Chapel of the Virgin of the Grace at Saints Vincent and Anastasius Church in Rome and I’ve not seen any such sign in English that you indicate — your sources are wrong about this as they are about other things/
Yet there's no Scripture in your endless cut-and-paste.
A wise man would ask himself "why not?"
Then pray for eyes to see.
There are no differences in The Church on core dogma and beliefs. What exactly do you mean by “Marionism”? And pray tell me whatever “factions” you’ve seen, how do they differ in core dogma.
To believe Mary is a co-redeemer and an intercessor and a dispensatrix of all graces is 100% idolatry.
Rome doesn’t believe the sacrifice of Christ was sufficient for the job of redeeming His flock. Rome requires a female god to be “in union” with the one Redeemer.
Flee from it, lest you become like it.
God willing, it’s not too late.
In varying degrees they all could be called co-redeemers in the sense of co-operating not as Redeemers in any sense of the term, because of such cooperation. But because of her unique role and the degree of her cooperation, Mary is singled out. In all of humanity, God singled her out for a truly sublime role. Nursing Almighty God at her breast is beyond our ability to fully appreciate. Yet thousands of Christians since the Protestant reformation have completely ignored such sublimity.
You have also then forgotten the uniqute role of Joseph, Mary's husband in the rearing of Jesus.
The man who taught Him the Torah at an early age. The man who taught Him what being the head of a family meant. The man who by example showed Him the meaning of hard work and sacrifice for his family. Joseph, today, continues to teach us what a Godly man is to be like. He guides fathers from heaven to their duty until death.
AND also the unique role of John the Baptist who before he was even born announced the presence of The Christ by kicking in his mothers womb. The first to announce the Lamb of God to Israel. The one to whom Jesus said, greater was NO ONE born of men. Who still anounces from Heaven that Jesus is the Lamb of God. Who reminds daily who Jesus really is and will until we come to the end of our journey.
God is the one who singled Mary out for the unique role in salvation that she has. She did not seek out such distinction. It is important to remember the high praise Jesus lavished on St. John the Baptist. Yet his mission was not nearly as exalted as Mary’s. Jesus worked his first miracle at her request. All she needed to say was: "They have no wine." He understood exactly what she wanted.
John's quote of ""Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" certainly pales in comparison to Mary's "they have no wine."
Yes, He could have taken care of the matter on his own. But he chose to have his mother’s intercession be a part of the mix. The miracle wasn’t any less significant because of her part in it. On the contrary, she shows us how accessible he is to our needs. To truly appreciate Mary is to appreciate her Son all the more.
Just amazing fancifull imaginings out of "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."
1. The death of Jesus Christ is sufficient for the salvation of our sins. This is Church teaching1. Do you say that Christians are not brethern of her Son, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ?
2. God willed that this work of salvation be accomplished through the collaboration of a woman, while respecting her free will (Gal. 4:4) But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law
3. All God's creatures -- Mary included, need to accept Christ/God. This us co-operating (in the sense of only saying "yes") with God's plan and His work and His grace in our salvation. We do NOTHING to save oursevels except to accept HIM. Do you agree with this?
4. 1 Peter 2:5 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. and Phil 3:10 10I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,
5. We are to proclaim Christ crucified. We are to spread the gospel and share the saving work of Christ with the world. We are called to prayer, holiness, and evangelism. We hence co-operate or rather are tools in God's plan of salvation.
6. Just as Moses and Abraham interceded with God, we too intercede with God for others.
7. These and the evangelists spread the Word of God to the Word and we as minor evangelisers TOO must spread the Word of God
8. Mary BORE the Word of God, she was a tool, an evangelizer in bringing the Word of God to the World
9. Just as our co-operation as tools is just an addition to Christ's death that saves the world, so too is Mary's role as a tool, a co-operator (in the sense that she bore Christ, our God and our Lord)with God.
10. Col 1:24 24Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. is St. Paul implying that Christ’s death on the cross was inadequate? Not at all. Instead, he is teaching that the all-sufficient sacrifice has to be completed by being preached, accepted, and embraced by our cooperation and that our suffering plays a mysterious part in this action. In that way the Redemption of Christ is applied and brought alive in the present moment by our own cooperation in that one, full, final sacrifice. No one says we are equal to Christ; instead, by grace, our cooperation becomes a part of Christ’s all sufficient sacrifice.
11. Mary too co-operated, yet as Simeon said in Luke 2:35 35so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too."
12. Acts 1:14 14They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
15. Mary was not discarded by God once her purpose was completed. Instead, God installs her into an eternal relationship with God as a tool for God's plan for salvation of the world.
16. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home
Thus, the Report continues the conspiracy of silence that has prevailed in the OPC for three decades. It leaves the erroneous impression that the serious doctrinal problems are outside the denomination, not within it. The Report gives false comfort to those who think the OPC is still a bastion of Biblical orthodoxy. On the contrary, the Report, and the 2006 General Assembly’s commendation of it, both maintain the OPC as a safe haven for those who teach error--> So the OPC, according to conservative Presbyterians teaches heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith. The details are there in the PDF.
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Men within the OPC, including at least one member of the Committee itself, teach heresy regarding the Gospel and many other fundamentals of the faith.
Do not feed or validate the sin by giving it the attention it demands. Instead, pray for the sinner.
Honour, glory, and riches will be the reward of your pains. Above all do not fail to rid the country of all those zealous scoundrels that stir up the people to make head against us. Such monsters should be smothered, as I have done here by Michel Servetus the Spaniard.or this one?
--John Calvin (Letter to the Marquis du Poet, Grand Chamberlain of the Queen of Navarre, 30 September 1561) )
Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt. This is not laid down on human authority; it is God who speaks and prescribes a perpetual rule for his Church. . . . Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that I would like to kill again the man that I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face.
-- John Calvin (Defense of Orthodox Faith against the Prodigious Errors of the Spaniard Michael Servetus, written in 1554; in Philip Schaff, History of the Reformation, [New York, 1892], vol. 2, p. 791; cited in Stanford Rives, Did Calvin Murder Servetus?, Infinity, 2008, pp. 348-349)
But I would advise anyone suffering from doubt to hang in there remembering that doubting Thomas was an Apostle, too.
1. Do you say that Christians are not brethern of her Son, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ? 2. Do you deny that Mary bore Our Lord and God Jesus Christ?
Offcourse not, but Christians are also brethren of Josephs son, Jesus. And His half sisters and brothers James. So? Where do you see an extra ordinary relationship? Scripture says nothing about your assertions in the few references to Mary.
Mary participated in the ministry by "being born of a virgin" as prophesied.
Wild speculation and unsuported assertions do not create dogma.
3. Do you deny that she was there at the foot of the cross and experienced sorrow and grief as only a mother seeing the death of her child could?
Offcourse not. Mary Magdelan and the disciples also grieved much as well. So?
4. Just as Mary cared for the disciples of Christ, we believes she continues caring for those who Christ, Our Lord and God cares for.
And this is some how different than the care provided to her by other disciples or by the disciples for all believers?
Certainly, Mary is not the only one who cares for those who love Christ. I assume they all care. Great, whats the point?
INDEED. INDEED.
I still believe God’s Nature is such that He is looking for Biblical ‘excuse’ to save folks, NOT biblical excuse to damn them.
Amen! Isn't this the prayer of every parent as they raise their children in a secular world?
Doubt is inherent in our fallen human nature. But ultimately, God willing, that doubt will lead to a deeper understanding of God's grace --
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." -- John 16:33
Thank you for bringing sanity to this discussion. The issue is not whether a frail human had their Gethsemane moments or doubts. All do and all are tempted by sin and subject to despair. Mother Teresa was victorious over that doubt and despair but took no personal credit for it herself. She humbly stated that she was but a tool or instrument through which Christ worked.
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