Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
I don’t know that there’s that much of that level of maniliness left in the western world.
Thanks for your presenting the truth vividly.
I just want folks to learn. Errors, mistakes, sins are best learned from. That’s the only use for fertilizer.
Gross sins desperately need to be learned from.Their tuition gets higher seemingly with every succeeding go around the same mountain.
Virtually all of us have been Z Number last jerks at one time or another and some for several years running, . . . at least. The important thing is do we learn to accept Holy Spirit’s conviction within, of our sins, to confess, repent, seek forgiveness of God and man and to, by God’s Grace, live differently.
Many manage to hide their jerkishness from lots of folks . . . sometimes for a while bosses . . . maybe even some co-workers. Usually from social acquaintances and church folks. Rarely from family. Usually family suffer the most from our jerkishness. And the worst we give strangers occassionally is usually standard, routine fare that our family have to suffer from our jerkishness almost 24/7.
THAT’S what’s dreadful to me. That’s part of what fuels my fairly relentless way of being in the world—to surface such dross and encourage it’s being skimmed off by The Sword of The Spirit and burned up in the Refiner’s fire.
The Cross, The Blood of Jesus and the refiner’s fire only are able to deal with such lastingly.
I know I can seem incredibly insufferable. God seems to have made me a carbuncle on the donkeys of the world more than once and in more ways than one.
It is one of the loving services I offer. LOL.
Give me your tired, your arrogant, your brittle, your full of themselves . . . the wise in their own eyes the unhuddled unmassed prigs . . . the narrow, rigid, terminally insecure but angry and hostile. I’ll bring out the worst in them in a flash. LOL. Just one of my little gifts and talents.
How can I not.
I was trapped in some of such a personna far too long in my life. It’s a dreadful way to live.
Most seem to take years to ‘get it.’ Many never do.
Yet, one has to try. It’s the only loving thing to do.
An apology is no biggy to me. Particularly through clenched teeth. I forgive immediately regardless.
I just know it’s important to God. And to personal growth and righteousness. And to sanity and healing and overcoming. For those reasons, I don’t mind pressing the point. Such examples ought not be wasted, imho.
Yet she claims she was a missionary...What missionary doesn't proclaim the Gospel???
It is NOT to every one in the Church that this mission of preaching the Gospel is given. it is to the Apostles.
Talk about cherry picking verses...You neglected to cherry pick this one written to a non Apostle;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
What is pathetic is reading right past her evident humility and devotion to Jesus to cherry pick quotes amenable to being interpreted as though she thought all religions were equally good.
Read it...That's pretty much what she said...She appeared to say that she liked her religion better but the others were good...She liked those religions as well...
But one has to wonder; her mission appears to have been to comfort the flesh but completely ignore the condition of and destiny of the souls of these poor pagans...
To me, an odd thing for someone who calls themselves a Christian...
Whoever adheres to this or promotes this or even believes this is a religious cult member...No two ways about it...
I hate to make such blanket statements . . . though I certainly think you are more likely right than wrong, in most cases.
Certainly folks who support such blasphemous, idolatrous assertions are over the line beyond any kind of kosher Christianity I want anything to do with.
This Eytailian(me) has maimed many by talking with his hands that I need to keep proper distance from others while talking. LOL!
I never promised an apology and one is not warranted. I did not harm your veracity by years by posting all sorts of falsehoods and nonsense. When someone tells me flying saucers and space aliens are real am I wrong to presume that they are full of bull feathers on other matters as well? The burden to reestablish your credibility is your.
Her mission was to bring love(what Christ is) to the suffering who have been cast away by others and left to die.
A protestant friend once told me he tried bringing a group of evangelicals to a homeless shelter and all they did is follow the homeless around quoting scriptures to them. Eventually, the homeless stopped coming when the evangelicals were there.
My friend noticed that the homeless would always be around when the Catholics were at the shelter and asked them why .
The homeless said they always felt love and caring from them and felt the Catholics treated them with respect as if they were part of their family. Thus, once the respect was earned they wanted to hear more about Christ.
Love open doors,dear ISCOOL
1. Nihil Obstat and Imprinatur only provide Superficial Local Assurances of not containing obvious heresy. They in no way confer official church doctrine or universal doctrinal approbation as your rants seem to imply. Historically these local assurances have been rendered only to be removed at a later date when found to be wanting. This process is much like an appeals court reversing a decision of a lower court decision
. 2. Notice how the word "Considerations" is used throughout the booklet. This implies the thoughts of the Author which in no manner has ever been adopted as official church doctrine.
3 You can find these local booklets which say this or that but until issued "Ex Cathedra" by the Vatican no official approbation is involved .
4. Therefore until you can provide some official document from The Vatican issued Ex Cathedra this is a effort in futility on your part to prove anything save the author is misguided. But you already knew that didn't you. Sorry but no summary judgment. God bless
You falsely accused me. Then you further 4-6 times repeated the false accusation and prediction.
I find it interesting that a Roman Catholic supposedly purporting to be righteously in good standing with Mary and all the rest . . . would think that no apology was fitting nor warranted.
TIME AND THE LORD will tell who has been the most integrous of the two of us. The Lord certainly knows the flawed, dirty clay I'm made of.
Ah well. Thankfully, I'm not in charge of your learning curve. Enjoy the ride. I forgive you. I pray you learn all God has for you to learn as painlessly as possible. Life has enough struggles at best without asking for more.
I think I'm about done, about it, in such exchanges with you. Thanks again for the blazingly neon lit example.
Quix was pretty fast in demanding an apology. I wonder how fast he will be to offer one.
Liars lie.
1. The Vatican has been encouraging in a DIVERSITY OF WAYS. such idolatry and blasphemies for centuries.
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B) GIVING GREAT CEREMONIOUS SPEECHES WITH INCREDIBLE POMP AND CIRCUMSTANCE EMBELLISHING AND SUPPORTING SUCH SENTIMENTS.
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C) SELLING AND ALLOWING TO BE SOLD WITHIN THE VATICAN UMBRELLA ALL MANNER OF ACCOUTRAMENTS SUPPORTIVE OF SUCH SENTIMENTS.
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D) ENDLESS PASTORAL ?HOMILIES? AROUND THE PLANET PONTIFICATING SUCH SENTIMENTS.
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E) COUNTLESS NUNS AND OTHER TEACHERS IN THOUSANDS OF PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS PONTIFICATING SUCH SENTIMENTS AROUND THE WORLD.
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F) VATICAN SANCTIONED TO AT LEAST COOPERATED WITH, MANY DOZENS IF NOT 100'S OF MOVIES AND TV SHOWS PROPAGATING SUCH SENTIMENTS.
However, if my social network of Roman Catholics is the least bit of a cross sectional clue (and I have every reason to believe it is), NOT EVEN THE AVERAGE ROMAN CATHOLIC BELIEVES SUCH A STINKING PILE OF DUPLICITY. The average Roman Catholic in my experience is tons more objective, tons more honest and tons more insightful than all the RC rabid clique folks hereon put together multiplied X 5 . . . at least X 3! LOL.
Soooooo, go right ahead thinking that y'all can run and hide behind the Catechism or the latest Encyclical on such matters any time it's convenient or in the interest of THE INSTITUTION to do so. The average RC in the pew and the average citizen on the street around the world ain't buyin' it. Perhaps they think that being honest before God is more important than the rabid clique folks hereon think is the case. Or perhaps they have more than a faint fog in Phoenix in July's worth of insight about such matters.
By all means, feel free to keep propagating such delusions. It helps make such idolatries, heresies and blasphemies even more of a laughing stock to the average reader. The Vatican isn't known as THE SUPREME MARY PUSHER around the world for nothing.
That’s an allegation.
I’ve never claimed I was an expert on such.
Someone, IIRC, outlined that on a thread months ago. It didn’t sound like anything different than the usual Vatican bureaucratic structure and operations.
You seem to assume that there’s something to apologize for.
As I’ve noted before, I’ve noted I was wrong and admitted error, apologized etc. many times more than the next runner up—probably more than the next 10 runners up combined—on all of FR for years.
However, I don’t just roll over and play dead at every off the wall allegation.
That one is off the wall. Coming from you, it’s yet again another example of CHEEK TO THE MAX.
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE PROCESS OF THE NIHIL OBSTAT IS.
THE POINT IS, THAT WHATEVER THE PROCESS, IT IS
ONE LEVEL
OF ESSENTIALLY OFFICIAL VATICAN HIERARCHICAL APPROVAL OF A GIVEN ITEM.
THAT'S THE POINT. PERIOD.
FOLKS CAN SHUCK AND JIVE, SLIP AND SLIDE AND RUN AND HIDE UNTIL JESUS COMES ABOUT SUCH TRUTHS. It won't change the facts. It also won't change the perception of the average Roman Catholic in the pew or the average global citizen on the street. THEY KNOW MORE OF THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER than RC's hereon seem ready to give them credit for.
As a shocking number of RC’s hereon seem absolutely dedicated to DEMONSTRATING almost day in and day out.
Proof positive: QUIX IS NOT A LIAR.
THANKS TONS.
You know me best.
Why are you changing the subject, NL?
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Quix, thanks for bothering to scan and post that heretical blasphemous idolatrous outrageous unbiblical deceptions, it’s now here for all to see. Good job.
Maybe you just overlooked the pages scanned from the Ferraro book, here’s a link to post 1641
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2578704/posts?page=1649#1641
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