Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Quix]

True. true.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Mad Dawg]

I never said, suggested or implied that:

• ignorance ever saved anyone;
• that ignorance was an excuse before God.

This explains why Mother Teresa's words are not understood. I can post A and be met with an argument against, not even B or C, but Z. Bizarre!

It is not humility to believe that your good works substitute for the gospel and the work of Christ..that is nothing but pride.

I do not think you can show me where Mother Teresa said anything of the kind. The proposition you state is true but irrelevant. It has nothing to do with Mother Teresa.

It was HER stated job to be a missionary

Her "job"?

You think a vocation is a JOB?

And now you get to define terms for the Catholic Church? It doesn't say "Hanes" until you say it says "Hanes?" I grew up (well, aged anyway) in the so-called "Protestant Episcopal Church" and I knew that medical missionaries, much to everybody's surprise practiced, um, medicine.

This is now going to become a discussion of terminology? It would have been okay if she had taken a different name for her order? The problem is she used the word "Missionaries" and some Protestants think that necessitates preaching at the expense of everything else?

Part of the problem here is that your side does not trust God. You do not think that He knows how to run His missions. If someone goes out in a team that worships Him for hours every day and then goes and performs corporal works of mercy, you think that is not sufficiently Christian to warrant their use of a term in a manner common among Catholics but maybe less so among non-Catholics?

It's a very limited idea of evangelizing. If it's not confrontative and verbal it's not evangelical? "Look, ma'am, I'm sorry your kid is dying of cholera and I'm the only medical person in town, but I'm a missionary, so let him die. I have to preach now. I'll get back to you tomorrow about funeral arrangements. What's that? You'll go to the swami instead? That's okay; you were predestined for damnation. Have a cursed day."

So basically you think the Seventh Day Adventist physician, outside of maybe believing the wrong stuff, had the right idea of evangelizing because when I was in pain and drugged out of my gourd he came in to try to make me a Seventh Day Adventist? It was verbal, it was confrontative, it was urgent -- and it was contemptible.

A characteristic of co-dependents is that they force things to conclusions. They'd rather have someone stomp out of the room in a rage and receive no help than be patient so that they can receive a little help today and maybe a little more tomorrow.

Grant won the Civil War because he took his time and wasn't going for the big win tomorrow. If he'd been the addict some people thought he was, he would have preferred to force a full battle and lose it in a week rather than dog Lee's lines from Culpeper to Petersburg until Lee's army collapsed.

When I go fishing, I go prepared to take more than my lifetime to land a big one. It beats scaring them off by thrashing around in the water.Dante, Aquinas, and Mother Teresa contribute more conversions dead than the average preacher does while he's alive.

Of course, I do not have the luxury of saying Lee was predestined to win, those fish were predestined to get away. Grant was about winning. Successful fishermen are about landing fish.

Evangelizing can require patience with one's patients. I can assure you one thing I will never consider being is a 7th day Adventist.

Okay. I have been advised that sometimes it is better to back off. I'm off this pathetic travesty of a discussion until Thursday.

[OLD REGGIE]

Great work and thanks to the donor of the host site.

Sadly, you'll most likely receive no apology but will be attacked with claims that the NIHIL OBSTAT is meaningless and the book is not Catholic teaching.

[Quix]

Boggles the mind, doesn’t it.

And their lack of insight just keeps piling higher and higher.

Shockingly amazing.

Makes it easy to understand Hitler and the sheeple and OThuga and the sheeple.

Frightful.

[Quix]

Perhaps you’ll feel up to responding to my post responding to you re Mother T then?

[Quix]

I didn’t really expect an apology.

Certain species of duplicitous, hypocritical, awash in denial leapards do NOT change their spots at all.

[OLD REGGIE]

So now tell me who John G Hogan was and how his one opinion qualifies for infallibility?

As expected, no apology, but further smokescreens and misdirections.

[Quix]

I’d think it was genetic.

However, they seem to sooooooooooooo

tenaciously and relentlessly

CHOOSE such . . . horse feathers . . .

it must be some variety of WILLFUL BLINDNESS AND WILLFUL PERVERSITY.

[Quix]

Gamecock suggested photobucket.com and it worked fine. So far. Last time I’d tried it a few years ago it didn’t.

[Quix]

I think

that

SMOKE SCREENS, DUPLICITIES, AND MISDIRECTIONS

ARE ABOUT ALL MOST OF THE RABID CLIQUE FOLKS

KNOW HOW

TO SPEW.

I’m not even sure they CAN THINK in different, more productive and constructive terms.

[Quix]

However, they are welcome to be my guest

if their major ‘Raison D’etra’

is to

DEMONSTRATE

what utterly lowest class jerk face posts they can spew so habitually.

It just helps to highlight the flavors and values of their theological foundations.

[OLD REGGIE]

Gamecock suggested photobucket.com and it worked fine. So far. Last time I’d tried it a few years ago it didn’t.

I have used Photobucket to find various photo's and cartoons but was not aware it could be used as a host site. Maybe some day I'll ask how to do it. ;-)

[Quix]

Turned out to be rather easy.

Upload your photos.

Usually into a folder/album of your designation.

give titles as desired.

I clicked on each individual photo in turn then and copied the url for a photo

then in the FR posting window, I pasted that URL into the

IMG SRC=””

TAG

etc. and that was it. I prefer to put the center tag ahead of each pic to center it on the page.

[TSgt]

I’ve posted pictures of Mary worship but this takes the cake!

“mediatrix?” “co-redemptrix?”

Unbelievable!

[Quix]

I know.

Along about page 50, I had to put the book away. It was far toooooo disturbing to my sense of God’s priorities. It grieved my spirit enormously.

Hideous stuff pretending to be a sweet devotional. Sheesh.

[OLD REGGIE]

Turned out to be rather easy.

Thanks. I have signed up though I have nothing of worth to upload. It's nice to know it's available.

[Quix]

YUP.

Interesting to see who all slinks off when the chickens coe home to roost.

[Legatus]

The signal to noise ratio in this forum is way out of balance. Your posts have too much signal, not enough noise.

Nevertheless, some of the signal is getting through despite all the surrounding noise, you may not be accomplishing anything with your direct interlocutors but what you write is making an impact. Not only have you demonstrated the beauty of Catholic thought and action, you've managed to reveal the ugly underbelly of Calvinism. I suppose that's a good thing, all things considered I'd prefer not to know it.

I've spent most of the last 15 years living among devout Calvinists and I think now that I've done to them exactly what they do to us. No matter what they say about what they believe I've always tried to refocus it through my Catholic understanding and give them the benefit of the doubt... "they can't really mean what it sounds like they mean, so they must mean something more like what I believe", that sort of thing. I see now that the theory and the practice really do coincide, and I'm appalled.

When I see a Catholic behaving badly and I think "I don't want to be like that" it's because he's failing to follow the teaching of his Faith. When I see a Calvinist behaving badly and I think "I don't want to be like that" it's because he's following the teaching of his faith to the letter. So whatever else happens this thread is going to have a real world impact on how I interact with the people around me.

I think you used the word nausea to describe the revulsion you experienced when you read the gleeful attacks against Mother Teresa last night and I thought you were using a bit of hyperbole. In catching up with the thread today I realized that it wasn't hyperbole at all, it's physically sickening. Nevertheless, in this as in all things, may Jesus Christ be praised.

[OLD REGGIE]

To: narses
There is no evidence that the citations are from the book or that it bears nihil obstat. There isn't any indication that there is even an understanding of the concept.
1,559 posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 1:44:21 AM by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)

To: Quix
"Perhaps I can scan some pages and the title etc. pages in and host them on a site that allows hotlinking."

You do that. Until then I don't believe you.
1,562 posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 2:02:43 AM by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)

To: Quix
Another clear indication that no proof of nihil obstat will be forthcoming. Until you rehabilitate your credibility your words mean nothing to me, your multicolored haiku even less.
1,602 posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 2:24:54 PM by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)

The

has lost his voice. A real man would apologize.