Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Brother Maynard spilled the beans long ago.
OH, that’s right - I saw it last night on the way home from Cub Scouts. It was dark orange, very spooky.
All the cops and paramedics I’ve ever known say the full moon really does bring out the wackadoodles. Pretty dangerous, at least in Texas.
“I bought the encyclical. I read the encyclical. And it was horrifying. Marx could have written it.”
I did not buy it, but read it (not the easiest thing I’ve ever done) and you have no idea how gratified I am to know another individual truly understands the significance of it. Thank you so much!!!
Hank
Some Clarity 08-18
The Catholic Government Vortex requires an apology and clarification. This is it.
And then the video explains the apology and clarification.
If you can't find that on the link I provided, try RealCatholicTV's YouTube channel link for the same video.
I had no idea that Marx believed that the principles of subsidiarity must be observed or that the social order must conform to the moral order. I'm also not sure why one would identify the need for the regulation of migration with Marxist principles. I suppose if one didn't know what those terms even meant one might be inclined to think they were icky or something...
In any event I usually check the final paragraphs of modern encyclicals to get a general sense of what's being addressed and in the case of "Caritas in veritate" we find this:
79. Development needs Christians with their arms raised towards God in prayer, Christians moved by the knowledge that truth-filled love, caritas in veritate, from which authentic development proceeds, is not produced by us, but given to us. For this reason, even in the most difficult and complex times, besides recognizing what is happening, we must above all else turn to God's love. Development requires attention to the spiritual life, a serious consideration of the experiences of trust in God, spiritual fellowship in Christ, reliance upon God's providence and mercy, love and forgiveness, self-denial, acceptance of others, justice and peace. All this is essential if “hearts of stone” are to be transformed into “hearts of flesh” (Ezek 36:26), rendering life on earth “divine” and thus more worthy of humanity. All this is of man, because man is the subject of his own existence; and at the same time it is of God, because God is at the beginning and end of all that is good, all that leads to salvation: “the world or life or death or the present or the future, all are yours; and you are Christ's; and Christ is God's” (1 Cor 3:22-23). Christians long for the entire human family to call upon God as “Our Father!” In union with the only-begotten Son, may all people learn to pray to the Father and to ask him, in the words that Jesus himself taught us, for the grace to glorify him by living according to his will, to receive the daily bread that we need, to be understanding and generous towards our debtors, not to be tempted beyond our limits, and to be delivered from evil (cf. Mt 6:9-13).
Horrifying Marxism? Seriously?
So it seems, there IS indeed a reason for the Catholic Church to have both a political and religious system. And yet, not one Catholic so far as I have seen on this thread, either realizes it or admits it. Do they not know? Or care? Is Vatican City, as a sovereign state, indeed just so “small” that it is of no real consequence in the political systems of the world? Is it just a harmless system designed for their own protection against wolves at their door..or purposely designed, from the very beginning, as the supreme system of both religion and politics, an unholy alliance that has captured the imaginations of man all the way back to Babylon. “Let US build”.
“Not Holy, not Roman, and not even a proper Empire.”
Comments from fellow Catholic FReepers encouraged. This article is a HOOT. Laughable in the extreme.
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“...or purposely designed, from the very beginning, as the supreme system of both religion and politics,...”
Yep. Designed that way by God, for God. Kinda cool, that.
The same can be said for Catholic Answers, CatholicCulture.org, and the myriad of popular (non-ordained) Catholic apologists' TV shows, books, websites and blogs over the past several decades. Frankly, the same can be said for any priest posting on a private website or blog or writing a book published by any non-diocesan or magisterial entity.
In fact, it would eliminate 99% of the Catholic internet presence as well as Catholic publishing and periodicals if you limit it to only those individuals with authority to speak for the Church.
So...what was the point we were trying to clarify?
“”I had no idea that Marx believed that the principles of subsidiarity must be observed or that the social order must conform to the moral order.:””
Marx did not care about morality,he wanted broken families to push an agenda of the state replacing God and family.
The people who try and compare Marx to Church teaching are truly demonic individuals.
From OCTOGESIMA ADVENIENS
APOSTOLIC LETTER
OF POPE PAUL VI 1971
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/apost_letters/documents/hf_p-vi_apl_19710514_octogesima-adveniens_en.html
Historical evolution of Marxism
32. Other Christians even ask whether an historical development of Marxism might not authorize certain concrete rapprochements. They note in fact a certain splintering of Marxism, which until now showed itself to be a unitary ideology which explained in atheistic terms the whole of man and the world since it did not go outside their development process. Apart from the ideological confrontation officially separating the various champions of Marxism-Leninism in their individual interpretations of the thought of its founders, and apart from the open opposition between the political systems which make use of its name today, some people lay down distinctions between Marxism’s various levels of expression.
33. For some, Marxism remains essentially the active practice of class struggle. Experiencing the ever present and continually renewed force of the relationships of domination and exploitation among men, they reduce Marxism to no more than a struggle - at times with no other purpose - to be pursued and even stirred up in permanent fashion. For others, it is first and foremost the collective exercise of political and economic power under the direction of a single party, which would be the sole expression and guarantee of the welfare of all, and would deprive individuals and other groups of any possibility of initiative and choice. At a third level, Marxism’ whether in power or not, is viewed as a socialist ideology based on historical materialism and the denial of everything transcendent. At other times, finally, it presents itself in a more attenuated form, one also more attractive to the modern mind: as a scientific activity, as a rigorous method of examining social and political reality, and as the rational link, tested by history, between theoretical knowledge and the practice of revolutionary transformation. Although this type of analysis gives a privileged position to certain aspects of reality to the detriment of the rest, and interprets them in the light of its ideology, it nevertheless furnishes some people not only with a working tool but also a certitude preliminary to action: the claim to decipher in a scientific manner the mainsprings of the evolution of society.
34. While, through the concrete existing form of Marxism, one can distinguish these various aspects and the questions they pose for the reflection and activity of Christians, it would be illusory and dangerous to reach a point of forgetting the intimate link which radically binds them together, to accept the elements of Marxist analysis without recognizing their relationships with ideology, and to enter into the practice of class struggle and its Marxist interpretations, while failing to note the kind of totalitarian and violent society to which this process leads.
“The “problem” is that Protestants do not “curse to hell” Roman Catholics...”
LOL, no they just damn them to hell, claim they believe horrific things, lie about them and when given political power over them, deprive them of their rights, property and even lives. Nasty buggers those anti-Catholic bigots.
Mark, you are the best!
“What are we going to do today, Brain?”
As crazy as it sounds I think we owe some thanks to the people who misrepresent what the popes teach, at least I do because the wild claims send me back to the various encyclicals and invariably I find something new and profound.
Particularly in the case of the present pope, JPII (of happy memory) often confused me but BXVI writes in a style I can easily comprehend.
I would say it's the Holy Spirit in us who recognizes lies and misinterpretations rather then credit the people perpetrating these lies and misinterpretations
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