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From the column: Since almost their beginning, Latter-day Saints have used this phrase, quoted by Jesus in John 10:34 from its original setting in Psalm 82:6, as biblical evidence to support their doctrine of exaltation, which holds that humans are gods in embryo.

Don't take my word for it that Mormons claim to be "gods in embryo"...here's yet another assertion from the Mormon Times newspaper that's been rumored to be less than "divine" and will undergo some major personnel cuts shortly.

(Hmmm...maybe the Mormon Times' execs just haven't been reading the "right" interpretation of how Lds pulls these things out)

From the column: Some have tried to argue that the "gods" of Psalm 82 were actually human judges. But this claim has fallen sharply out of favor among scholars over the past century.

No, it hasn't. And this is where Mormon apologists show how viciously less than forthcoming they are. He cites Psalm 82:6, the original citation Jesus is referencing, but he neglects to mention either Psalm 82:2 or 82:7 for full context.

To understand who we are talking about, he can't simply reference Ps. 82:1,6 -- and the dual references to "gods" there -- minus following up the ensuing verses, and expect to do justice to reviewing who's being discussed here.

Ps. 82:2 clearly shows this reference is to "unjust judges": How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?

Furthermore, Ps. 82:7 says: But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Tell us, Peterson, how many "gods" you know that die???

From the column: Moreover, Jesus' citation of a metaphorical use of the term "god" wouldn't go very far toward justifying his claim of literal divinity. He would seem merely to be playing a word game, practicing a semantic sleight of hand, and, in fact, to be committing the logical fallacy of equivocation, wherein a word surreptitiously changes its meaning from one part of an argument to another.

Wow! How foolish of such conjecture. The apostle told the Colossians that a person's stomach can become an idol -- a false god. So can $; wealth; possessions. People who worship Satan worship a false god. Yet God yields to this usurper a certain amount of "authority" as a false god; if the rebellious spurn the One true God, He allows them to be in bondage to a false god...an idol of their own choosing.

Jesus makes this quite clear that God in the OT "called them gods" -- John 10:35. But being called a "god," and having tremendous authority as either a judge -- or even as Satan as the "god of this world" as Satan is referenced in 2 Cor. 4:4, doesn't mean Satan is a "true" God. He is simply "called" a "god" by God's Word. Paul clearly distinguished between the true God and that which isn't by nature divine (Gal. 4:8).

1 posted on 08/21/2010 1:21:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From last night's Salt Lake Tribune:

Daniel Peterson, a politically conservative Mormon who has studied Islam for 30 years at Brigham Young University and in the Middle East, says he is so fed up with “demagoguery” from the mosque’s opponents that he is tempted to endorse the mosque.

Source: Utah faith leaders weigh in on N.Y. mosque dispute

2 posted on 08/21/2010 1:29:46 AM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Colofornian

“The consensus of modern biblical scholarship,.......”

Which scholars? and whose scholarship? Mormon? Or is this a phrase like “Well, everybody knows......”?????


3 posted on 08/21/2010 1:44:47 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Colofornian
Main Entry: poly·the·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈpä-lē-(ˌ)thē-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun

Etymology: French polytheisme, from Late Greek polytheos
polytheistic, from Greek, of many gods, from poly- + theos god

Date: 1613

: belief in or worship of more than one god

4 posted on 08/21/2010 2:32:02 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Colofornian
The whole premise seems just as a blatant lie - one as old as the serpent tempting Eve in the Garden of Eden.

I don't want to be a "god." I want to be God's adopted child through His Grace. I want His will to be done.

Doesn't scripture tell us to wish that our hearts were crushed?

This whole "plan" - to have harems on other planets and be my own "god" is nothing more than Islam promises in its "heaven."

5 posted on 08/21/2010 3:43:47 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Colofornian
"Ye are gods." Since almost their beginning, Latter-day Saints have used this phrase, quoted by Jesus in John 10:34 from its original setting in Psalm 82:6, as biblical evidence to support their doctrine of exaltation, which holds that humans are gods in embryo.

Yeah, LDS can argue this all they want; but the FACT remains that "Ye are FASLSE PROPHETS" is 100% true!


They either IGNORE, HandWave away, or examine belly-button lint when faced with THESE Scriptures!


 


KJV
 Galatians 1:6-9
 6.  I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
 7.  Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
 8.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 9.  As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
 
 
 
ANYBODY???
 
Like this fine looking fellow???
 
 
 
 
 

2 Corinthians 11:12-15
 12.  But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
 13.  For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
 14.  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
 15.  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
 

Like THESE guys??
 
 
 
 
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
 
 


 
Ephesians 2:1-2 
1.  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


 
1 Corinthians 4:17
  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
   Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
 
2 Timothy 1:13
   Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
 
2 Timothy 3:14-15
 14.  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
 15.  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

6 posted on 08/21/2010 4:22:50 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Colofornian
Amen brother!

These false interpretations is one of the main reasons I decided to go non-denominational. All the religions use interpretations that cater to what some folks want to believe instead of taking it as it was truly meant. There are thousands of sects of Christianity and I cannot see the reasoning - the Bible keeps it simple and clear.

14 posted on 08/21/2010 5:24:52 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Colofornian
One should really read the entire article to get a sense of the arrogance of Peterson's description of Jesus. I REALLY get tired of mormons lying about and denigrating Jesus in order to justify Joseph Smith's lies.

Peterson states, "the only way to save Jesus from a charge of misapplying the psalm is to understand ordinary human beings as "gods" and as at least onetime members of the divine, heavenly court."

What a wonderful example of mormon arrogance! I guess Peterson never heard the term "Jesus (is the one who) Saves"....oh wait! That's a Christian term.

if mormons are Christian

17 posted on 08/21/2010 6:50:35 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (BARF of the YEAR: Obama "We are God's partners in matters of life and death,")
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The consensus of modern biblical scholarship, by contrast, holds that the beings addressed as "gods" in Psalm 82 are, in fact, members of the heavenly divine court.

It is incredible that a mormon has to blatantly LIE to try to support his point and doctrine. It is not the 'consensus' of biblical scholarship. Psalm 82:7 states in regard to these gods -'You will die like men' - sorry, those who are already gods cannot die as men.

The dishonesty of this argument is disgusting

22 posted on 08/21/2010 9:18:27 AM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; Godzilla; BlueMoose; restornu; svcw; SZonian; ejonesie22; reaganaut

What’s wrong with being gods in embryo?

Why is theosis bad?

Theosis is Biblical and the Eastern Orthodox believe in it as well.

New International Version

Psalm 82

A psalm of Asaph.

1God presides in the great assembly;

he gives judgment among the “gods”:

2“How long will you(a) defend the unjust

and show partiality to the wicked?

3Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;

maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.

4Rescue the weak and needy;

deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

5“They know nothing, they understand nothing.

They walk about in darkness;

all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6“I said, ‘You are “gods”;

you are all sons of the Most High.’

7But you will die like mere men;

you will fall like every other ruler.”

8Rise up, O God, judge the earth,

for all the nations are your inheritance.
Footnotes:
a 2 The Hebrew is plural.

Could it possibly be that men that don’t live up to their covenants to judge righteous judgments don’t inherit the kingdom?

The rest of your post is true, especially the poignancy of Satan being the god of this world. He’ll never be anything more.


36 posted on 08/22/2010 5:58:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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