The Islamic and Christian views of Jesus... (How Obama Can be Muslim but Claim Christianity)

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[xzins]

Sadly, you are right on the money.

[marron]

I’d be more inclined to accept muslims as slightly heretical fellow believers in Jesus if they weren’t in the habit of executing Christian converts.

At one time I was inclined to a much more benign view of Islam than I am now.

[combat_boots]

“Down deep within my spirit, and based upon certain revelations and insight that has been given to me through the precious Holy Spirit, I believe that there are several major events that are like large roadblocks on a journey that will stop the momentum of Obama’s administration in its tracks. A trusted man of God told me the night of the election that in 2009 and 2010, things will be like one big party at the White House (indeed, there are continual parties taking place). However, the man of God said something would happen in 2011 that would shake the President and the Lord would personally visit him.

I believe that this will occur. Not that any of us enjoy difficult times. But I am hoping the Lord will change the heart of the leader of the free world from that of an obvious liberal with an agenda that is bent on turning America into a socialist nation or worse, to a true experience with the Lord Jesus Christ. It has become clear that, if you explore his background from the time he was a child to his community organizing in Chicago, his best and closest friends were extreme socialists and Marxists. This is not a careless statement but a fact that has been publicly noted in some of the television and print media for months. Thus, in my opinion, he has surrounded himself with a totally unbalanced group of advisors—both morally and spiritually—and he desperately needs some praying, spiritually discerning, wise leaders to be raised up around him. There need to be people who can speak the proper truth into his life and bring needed rebuke for some of his policies that are doomed to cause America to falter and fail. We need to pray for a Divine visitation.

A Servant of the King,

Perry Stone, Jr.”

http://www.voe.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=335:the-next-surprise-on-the-prophetic-stage&catid=78&Itemid=120

[Tennessee Nana]

Jesus is called Isa (pronounced Eesa) in Arabic.
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Yes but isa or issa means man in Hebrew...iysh

Adam was an “issa” Genesis 1:23

Eve is called “ishshah”...woman...Genesis 2:22

So unless the Moslems are saying Jesus is Da Man...

It really means nothing...

Ask a Moslem if Jesus is God...

[xzins]

I’m not special pleading for Islam. I’m saying that if a politician wanted to do the mental gymnastics, that they could be Muslim, not admit it, but still claim to be Christian. There are plenty of churches that will accept you simply because you’re warm and still breathing. :P)

[Campion]

The Gospel of Barnabas was accepted as a Canonical Gospel in the Churches of Alexandria till 325 CE Iranaeus (130-200) wrote in support of pure monotheism and opposed Paul for injecting into Christianity doctrines of the pagan Roman religion and Platonic philosophy. He quoted extensively from the Gospel of Barnabas in support of his views. This indicates that the Gospel of Barnabas was in circulation in the first and second centuries of Christianity.

In 325 (CE), a council of Christian leaders met at Nicaea and made Paul's beliefs officially part of Christian doctrine.

This is of course almost totally fictional. The "Gospel of Barnabas" they're talking about is almost certainly a medieval Islamic forgery written to discredit Christianity. No manuscripts of it older than the early 15th C. have ever been found.

Nicaea never "made Paul's beliefs officially part of Christian doctrine," because they had always been part of Christian doctrine from the earliest days.

[xzins]

See Islam #7 point in the above article.

[xzins]

I’m wondering if they meant to say the epistle of Barnabas, but I have no way of checking on them or their sources.

[one of His mysterious ways]

Christians know that satan can appear as an angel of light to deceive. He also mingles the Truth with lies to deceive. This is evident when he even tried those tricks with Jesus Himself. Satan used the words of God from the Torah and mingled them with lies in an attempt to trick Jesus but he failed.
Satan also tried his hardest to keep Jesus OFF of the cross because he knew the significance - reconcilliation between God and man; but he failed in that too.
So satan in an attempt to deceive people created islam which teaches that Jesus was not on the cross; thus deceiving people away from that reconcilliation with God.
Since satan could not keep Jesus off the cross, the next best thing is to make people believe that he did.
Islam is nothing more than a satanic mingling of Truth and lies to keep people from redemption and reconcilliation with God.

[xzins]

Islam is satanic and anti-Christian.

[chuckles]

This stuff make for interesting conversation, but the facts are that the Muslims that crash planes and blow people up chase whores, get drunk, lie like dogs, and probably even eat some pig sausage somewhere in there. What the Quran says and what they do are often covered by “Do what you want, say what you want, just kill infidels wherever you find them.” Saying he is Christian means nothing if your aim is to destroy the “Great Satan”. If he is successful, he will be worshiped like a god in muzzieland. I don't think some Imam will be calling for his head on a stick.

[Campion]

The Gospel of Barnabas is an Islamic forgery; the Epistle of Barnabas is a legitimate early Christian document. I wouldn’t be surprised if their sources for the alleged canonicity of the G. of B. were really talking about the E. of B.

[xzins]

Saying he is Christian means nothing

It means that he is attempting to deceive.

[marron]

if a politician wanted to do the mental gymnastics, that they could be Muslim, not admit it, but still claim to be Christian

I do get your point. As I say, I once had a much more benign view of Islam. I had the opportunity to live in Saudi for a little while and made it a point to read the koran while I was there. At the time I focused on the similarities between koran and the two biblical testaments.

And you will meet muslims who are decent and want to do right.

Still, in the local english-language paper where they always list the weekly executions, there are always some who are executed for "blasphemy". My understanding was that blasphemy was for them denying that Mohammed was prophet, but that you could recant at any time up until the blade fell and save your life.

I always asked myself, who given the chance to save his life by simply re-affirming that Mohammed is prophet, would prefer death?

Thats when I realized that despite the impossibility of evangelizing in Saudi Arabia, people are coming to Christ and dying for it. There are churches there, but all underground (and mostly expat). There are priests who smuggle themselves into the country as workers, evangelicals generally organize their own prayer meetings, catholics too who organize prayer meetings on the quiet, but they also get raided periodically. The expats get deported. The priests get imprisoned and then deported. Any Saudis involved face death so I think people generally try not to involve them.

[WVNan]

I was just hunting a place to post a thought that had entered my mind about Christianity and Islam. That thought had to do with satan’s visit to Jesus in the wilderness and how Jesus rejected everything he offered. I believe it was satan’s voice which mohammed heard, and he obedyed that voice. His followers are the children of the prince of this world. Whether mohammed could be called ‘son of satan’ is one for theologians. In one sense of the phrase, I think it is clear that he was a “son of satan,” as is his followers. They hate, lie and murder without conscience. Christians are commanded to love, be truthful and love our enemies. Polar opposites.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Thanks, xzins. This is exactly the kind of article I was looking for.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt before the election and assumed he was a Christian. I no longer believe that. He was born of a muslim father; he was raised as a muslim in Indonesia; he refuses to release any personal identification; and he bowed to Abdullah, no doubt reflexively because that is where his heart lies.

How dumb are we not to see what is right before our eyes?

[Wings-n-Wind]

Point-by-point ANALYSIS and COMMENTARY:

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Muslims love Jesus.

If this was true -- Muslims would LISTEN to Jesus, and embrace His teaching.

If you love me, you will obey what I command.
-- John 14:15

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Muslims do not believe that Jesus was the son of God. God is so powerful and self-sufficient that He does not need a son or any kind of partner.

For God so loved the world that He gave his only BEGOTTEN son...
...that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
---from John 3:16 (also read vv.17-18)

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In Arabic Bible the name for God is Allah.

Therefore all Arab Christian call God Allah as Muslim do as well.

a. The QURAN cannot hold a candle to the Holy Bible as the accepted and true revelation from the Living God. I will debate anywhere -- anytime-- on this point.

b. The Muslim Diety -- aka "Allah".... is NOT the same as the Supreme Deity --- revealed in BIBLICAL Scripture as the God of Abraham, ISAAC, and Jacob-- GOD... and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Jesus did not die on the cross. Rather, God saved him as his enemies were confused about him. Jesus was taken up by God to Heaven.

THIS IS A "LOGGERHEADS" CONFLICT WITHIN ISLAM -- TOTALLY REJECTING THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!

The crucifixion of Christ is the atonement for all sins of all men of all time. THose who accept this atonement on their behalf are forgiven of their sins, changed from their sinful nature-- and welcomed into the eternal family of The LORD -- one True and Supreme Deity.

The visible and bodily Resurrection of Jesus is the most extraordinary event in the record of human history.
...wWitnessed and recorded by many witnesses....
It is God's endorsement of acceptance of the payment freely offered thru the Passion and substitutionary sacrifice of Christ by cruel crucifixion.

But when this priest (Jesus)had offered for all time one sacrifice (himself) for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. -- Hebrews 10:12 (clarification of context added)

And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men. -- 1 Corinthians 15:18-20

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Jesus prayed to the same God as all Prophets and we pray to.

PATENTLY FALSE -- A MAJOR DECEPTION OF ISLAMIC FAITH!

Jesus prayed to His Father--
The One True God... the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel and the other OT prophets....
He did not pray to the Moon-god Al-ilah (Allah). ***************

Jesus will return before the end of the world.

Yes -- he most certainly will.
And the prophetic insight of the Old Testament, and predictive prophecy (spokem by Christ!) recorded in the New Testament tells us of the signs of His apppearing.

I urge everyone everywhere--
....To read and understand the Gospel;

....To pray to receive Christ as Savior and Lord;

....Forgiven of our sins, we are filled with the Presence and Power of the Holy Spirit-- the seal of God's ownership and ultimate redemption, and God's deposit -- guaranteeing what is yet to come.
(Ephesians 4:30 and 1 Corinthians 1:21-22)

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God loves Muslims and He is patient with Muslims and Arabs, as he is also patient with all mankind:

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness.

He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
--2 Peter 3:9

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ONE LAST THOUGHT ADDED TO YOUR LIST:

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.
--2 Peter 3:10

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The Holy Bible is either the inspired Word of God -- or it is not.

Jesus is either exactly who he claims to be--The Lord God; Or...
He is a Liar and/oor a Lunatic...

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There is no "YES -- BUT"...

There is no "MAYBE -- AND PERHAPS"

He is coming to claim His Bride -- those found faithful and worshipping Christ alone.

Islamic apologists...
-- Time to make up your mind

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I am done....

Someone take the offering and dismiss us with a kind word of gladness!

[rawcatslyentist]

He's definitely anti-Christian.

Thank You Satan 1:51☠

[xzins]

His lips say one thing, but everything else screams: “Obama is a Muslim”.

I’d be tempted to say, “typical politician”, but this is dangerous.

We don’t need a president who worships a false god (allah),

[blue-duncan]

“he bowed to Abdullah, no doubt reflexively because that is where his heart lies”

I don’t think “religion” has anything to do with it except as a means to unite disparate groups. He uses it more as a tool for power than as a personal approach to his god. Look at all he has thrown under the bus including his former pastor.