Posted on 08/19/2010 5:55:44 PM PDT by Gamecock
Each of us know who is incorrigible. Ignore them.
The 1,000+ post blood-fests only become that way because those of us here provide the entertainment. Just stop.
Make your point. Clarify if needed. Then move on to the next thread. There is no sense in getting into long, drawn-out arguments...nobody is going to read the thread beyond the first 200 posts, so quit playing on those types of threads.
If somebody posts a flame-bait thread, ignore it.
That is a correct position to take. Actually, all of this was settled at the end of the Thirty Years War only we’ve forgotten about it.
Aw, ya forgot me :>(
Good job, by the way.
THX.
Great link.
Saving this thread
Christian tracks conservative, and the more Christian, the more likely conservative (by a very wide margin).
The more non religious or anti-Christian, the more likely liberal (by a very wide margin).
INDEED.
The Vatican slippery words from the DAFFYNITIONARY are incredible.
Sigh.
OF COURSE.
So many RC’s hereon seem to have no interest in the truth, much less to be influenced by the truth
or even by the unstretchy authentic Scriptures.
Curious question, if I may...
If Catholic church A is doing the Eucharist at 1:00, and down the street, Catholic church B is also doing the Eucharest at 1:00, where is Christ? Is he at both sites? Does he choose one over the other? Can Christ be in more than one chunck of bread and one cup of wine at the same time?
I’m all over that. Satan’s useful idiots are Satan’s useful idiots. They expose themselves.
I found this rather courious since the Calinistic teaching is that only the few elect of God will come to salvation and there is nothing that can be done for you unless you are one of the elect.
The Lord's Supper is the proper celebration Christ requires us to observe which brings us closer to Him by our remembrance of His work on the cross on our behalf.
The Last Supper was a Passover meal where Christ's blood was poured out for our sins.
"(Jesus) who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed" -- 1 Peter 2:24
The bread and wine are symbols of the Lord's sacrifice; a sacrifice we are to remember and repeat until He comes again.
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come." -- 1 Corinthians 11:23-26"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Christ resides spiritually in the hearts and minds of His flock. Christ resides physically in heaven.
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool."-- Hebrews 10:12-13"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Christ is equally present at all times and places. He is indivisible. This is why it’s important to understand that the Eucharist is not a piece of him cut off, it is Him. There’s no distinction.
I studied Catholicism with my mom when I was 12-13. The text was ¨Father Smith Instructs Jackson¨ (which is still published by the way). It was very interesting. Though I´ve come to be an Old Testament believer. It´s a simpler picture of God, which is how I also believe He has constructed the universe.
Not the problem on FR.
Most Proddys know far too many RC’s far too well hereon.
Doesn’t help your cause a bit.
UNMITIGATED NONSENSE.
5-6 YEARS AGO
THE REL FORUM WAS, for most intents and purposes, VIRTUALLY A VATICAN !!!CONTROLLED!!!, RC FIFEDOM.
But I thought he was raised in a body, and bodily raised up to heaven. When did he take back his Spirit nature and leave his body?
If Christ is equally present at all times and all places, isn’t that Pantheism? I thought he was seated at the right hand of the Father, and the Holy Spirit is now on earth doing his thing. Jesus went up, and the HS came down.
From: www.fisheaters.com
Mary the Mother of Jesus(God became man)
Jesus Christ is the one Mediator of man and God the Father, the only Person whose Blood saves us; but the most effective and beautiful way to Jesus is through the imitation of Mary and beseeching her to pray for us. Mary is not only the Christ’s mother; she is our mother, and the Queen Mother of Christ’s Kingdom. In the Old Testament, the Queen Mother held the title of gevirah and was the most powerful woman in the Davidic Kingdom, the one who acted as a mediatrix between the King and his people. Just as Queen Mother Bathsheba interceded with her son, King Solomon, on the part of those who took their pleas to her (3 Kings 2:19-20), Our Lady — our Queen Mother — intercedes for us with the King of Kings.
At the wedding at Cana, Mary looked at the wedding guests, saw what they needed, and made her request to Jesus, on their behalf , for more wine. He knew well that she was asking for a miracle, but replied that His “hour is not yet come.” Knowing her place, she doesn’t insist, but she trusts that Her Son would comply. She is the Queen Mother, she’d made her request, she trusted in Him and in His trust of her, and, just after He said that His hour had not yet come, she told the waiters there with all confidence, “Whatsoever He shall say to you, do ye.” And then Jesus did comply, asking those waiters to fill six jugs with water — water that He then changed into the wine Mary sought for the thirsty guests. It was at Our Lady’s request that Jesus performed His first public miracle and that He first revealed His divinity to the masses. What we must remember is that He performs miracles and reveals Himself at her request even today. By asking for Mary’s intercession, by honoring her, and by perfectly imitating her, we can get closer to Jesus.
We Catholics honor our Queen and Mother in many ways, most especially by “doing what He tells us” per her advice to the waiters at the wedding at Cana. This is her fondest wish, her deep desire: that we come to know, love, and serve her Son! To better serve God is the ultimate objective of any honor given to Our Lady and the very purpose Marian devotion. “Per Matrem ad Filium” — “Through the Mother to the Son” is the motto of the Catholic who especially loves Our Lady.
We revere Mary, too, by such practices as praying to her (especially in the Rosary), piously wearing the Brown Scapular of Carmel, piously wearing the Miraculous Medal, remembering her Feasts, keeping the Five First Saturdays per her request to the seers at Fatima, crowning statues of her in May, defending her honor against Protestant misunderstandings or out-and-out evil attacks, etc. Most of all, we give our offerings, sufferings, and pleas to her to give to Jesus so that they will be purified and presented to Him by immaculate hands. An analogy: a small child makes a cake for her Father on Father’s Day. She’s not the best cook, and the cake is a little lopsided and inelegant by restaurant standards. The child’s mother, upon seeing the child’s offering of love, “oohs and ahs” over it, kisses her child on the forehead, and says, “How about our adding a little icing to this side?” to make it even better. By offering up our works and desires and sufferings to Mary to give to Jesus, she makes our offerings that much more beautiful by mingling them with her prayers.
There are, though, more formal ways of honoring God through her — spiritual practices most often known as “Consecration to Mary,” or “Consecration to Jesus through Mary,” which is the less common but more accurate phrasing. “Consecration to Mary” is the means by which one formally makes an act of trust in Mary as Queen Mother, in her power as intercessor for us with King Jesus, and in the perfection of her will to bring all souls to her Son. One consciously and formally, with outward signs, places oneself under the mantle of her motherly protection.
There are two formal methods for doing this. The first method is the more apostolic, corporate method encouraged by St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe, a Polish priest-martyr who founded the confraternity “Militia Immaculata.” The second, more complex and individualistic method was first described by St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort, a French priest who founded the Missionaries of the Company of Mary (Montfort Fathers) and the Daughters of Divine Wisdom. A Catholic may consecrate himself to Jesus through Mary using either method, both methods, or no formal method at all.
The command was to memorialize Christ not re-sacrifice him.
“You are saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ.” It sounds right. But what does it mean, actually?”
It means that salvation is 100 percent through God and his mercy.
“Words don’t necessarily mean the same thing, obviously.”
You don’t have to be baptised to receive the grace of God. God will save those whom he will save. You can be saved through the desire for baptism, ie, devotion to the Lord.
However, baptism does provide sanctifying Grace, as you’ve said. Those who are baptised, unless they sin and reject Christ will in fact be saved, through the grace provided in baptism. This is why baptism is so important for Christians, as an outward sign of inward grace.
However, it is not necessary for one to be saved. Salvation is entirely due to the Grace of God.
Sacraments are not works in the sense that what we do produces the outcome. Sacraments work, because it is the method by how God provides these graces to us. You don’t even need a priest to baptise, merely the words, “in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit” will provide the sacrament.
Sacraments work because God is working through them.
GAG.
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