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Posted on 08/18/2010 9:52:35 AM PDT by TheBattman
How can one explain, as you ask for, when the Religious thread rules prevent a Catholic from replying on this thread since the OP has made it a NON-Catholic caucus thread?
What about Abraham's bosom? There is no mention of sins being cleansed there but the dead who would be redeemed were there.
Ah.....let me go get my NON-Catholic husband to ask you all the same question that NONE of you can answer.
Both of these passages speak of a process (something that happens and then ends.) In Luke it is portrayed as an imprisonment, in Corinthians as a testing and an ordeal.
I'm curious. What do you believe those passages are about if they are not about the purgation of a man's sins?
Not interested in playing that game.
Tell you what... how about Rome AND Scripture? Let's go to Scripture to find what is the pillar and ground of the truth... is it Scripture or something else?
1 Tim 3:15 (KJV) 15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
I’m sure it’s written somewhere, but how could anyone really know?
How about just being 100% honest, and saying...’I don’t really know’...?
You do believe that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully human, do you not? Please show me where that doctrine/teaching appears in God's Word.
I'll see you that, and raise you one. How is it possible that a cleansing through punishment for sins during this life is necessary or even possible for a Christian who has "trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins"?
After all, there's nothing special about "afterlife punishment" versus "during life punishment". If one impugns Christ's sacrifice, so does the other.
Scripture is very clear:
For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.
If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. -- Hebrews 12:3-11
(Incidentally, as I usually do, I'm quoting from a Protestant translation, the NKJV.)
Seems straightforward. Scripture insists that Christians will be chastised for their sins, and in fact says that those who aren't chastised are "not sons, but bastards". (That's what the Greek really says.)
The whole Protestant error regarding purgatory is slapped down by this one passage of Scripture. If no chastisement for sin is possible for Christians, the passage makes no sense. If chastisement in the afterlife impugns the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice, chastisement in this life impugns it as well.
How many times is the word “Catholic” mentioned in this article? This is clearly not caucus material; imho.
Jesus said “Take and eat, This is My Body”...and Protestants say that when they receive communion it’s just a SYMBOL of Jesus’s body, and then they say they are Bible based.
How about just answering anyway? It’s an anonymous forum anyway, what could happen and what would it hurt?
How is it a game? You made a statement that contradicts the recollection of others, and you aren't willing to back it up. That's what liberals do......
You wrote:
“If you could accept the answer that Scripture provides to this question you would immediately abandon the cult of Rome.”
Okay, I’ll bite. What is - in your view - the “the answer that Scripture provides to this question”: “To my Non-Catholic friends......do you go straight to heaven if you die with SINS on your soul?? Heaven is PURE, how can one get there with SINS on their soul??”
It’s laughable. I’m still interested to see if there is a Catholic Caucus thread that challenges Protestant beliefs in such an overt manner.
I guess I should get some popcorn. :)
OK, OK, enough. 931 angels can dance on the head of a pin. Any other questions?
Yes.
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