Posted on 08/16/2010 7:21:49 AM PDT by NYer
"There is no such thing as being a good Catholic and being disobedient to the Holy Father. There is no such thing as being a good Catholic and being a dissident when it comes to faith and morals. There is no such thing as dissent from authentic and authoritative Church teaching. No such thing. Those who do that separate themselves from Christ and His body. They become dead members of the body of Christ.
You should avoid such people like the plague and you should keep your children from such people as though keeping them from the worst contagion, because contact with such people can poison their minds, poison their souls and kill them morally and spiritually, and you don't want to be responsible for that. That is not lack of charity, that is not lack of pastoral concern. That IS charity, that IS being pastoral and that IS being merciful. It is not merciful to turn our children over to those that can poison their hearts and minds. That is not charitable, merciful, nor pastoral.
Pray for people that attack the Church, the Holy Father, the Magisterium. Pray for them, love them indeed, but don't listen to them and don't put yourselves nor your children in a position where they or you can be influenced.
Let me tell you something. The devil is smarter than you and me. He is a very high angel fallen from grace. Yet God has allow him to retain that very high angelic intelligence. You will not outwit the devil; he's very clever. Through true humility, through grace and through prayer, you win the battle. But don't be presumptuous and think that out of some kind of misguided notion of being 'open', of being 'tolerant,' that you can subject yourself and your children to all forms of philosophical and theological error.
Now I'll put this very simply. As some of my rancher friends from Wyoming would put it, if you soak in a tub of manure, you might come out smelling funny. Well, if you soak in error, if you put yourself in an environment of religious error, theological and philosophical error, you're apt to pick some of the smelly contagion of it. Don't do that. That's not smart.
There's a story from the annals of the Post Resurrection Church of St. John the Evangelist, the beloved disciple, who went to Ephesus. And the Blessed Mother went with him. And they say that St. John was within the public baths of Ephesus and a heretic came in from the other end of the public baths and word of his presence got to the other side to St. John. Now this is the Apostle that preached Love, right? St. John, the one who said God is Love. In his old age, the only thing St. John could say was 'Love God." That's all he could say. He got word that a heretic had just come in the building, he leaped up, grabbed his clothes and ran out of the building yelling "run for your lives, the heretic 'so-and-so' just came in the house." That was his attitude.
I'll tell you something, I used to contest with these people. I used to debate with them. I used to engage in apologetics with them. I don't do it anymore and I'm going to tell you something. For the most part, I am more qualified to do it than you are, than most of you. I've got a doctorate, I've got five degrees in Theology and Philosophy. I know the material, but I don't do it because it is an exercise in futility and I don't want to drive myself 'nuts,' in plain English, and it doesn't work. Now, if I have to defend the faith, I'll do that, but I do not engage in debates with people, especially with people who have lost the faith. There's an axiom in metaphysics, 'Things are received in the mode of the receiver.' I say this over and over again. You get what you're ready to get, you receive what you're ready to receive."
Fr. John Corapi, SOLT
Ping to judicious wisdom.
>>I know the material, but I don’t do it because it is an exercise in futility and I don’t want to drive myself ‘nuts,’ in plain English, and it doesn’t work.<<
This is the way I feel about debating here. In my opinion it’s a “Pearls before Swine” situation.
...I'll tell you something, I used to contest with these people. I used to debate with them. I used to engage in apologetics with them. I don't do it anymore and I'm going to tell you something. For the most part, I am more qualified to do it than you are, than most of you. I've got a doctorate, I've got five degrees in Theology and Philosophy. I know the material, but I don't do it because it is an exercise in futility and I don't want to drive myself 'nuts,' in plain English, and it doesn't work. Now, if I have to defend the faith, I'll do that, but I do not engage in debates with people, especially with people who have lost the faith.
What are the implications of these words of wisdom for the Catholic Caucus?
By the way, the good people at Michael Voris' RealCatholicTV would like to see their fledgling forum grow and prosper. It was established back in 2008, but they did not put much effort into it then.
Their forum is at http://users.boardnation.com/~realcatholictv/index.php
However, with the growth in viewership, they are getting more users, and they are looking for good Catholics willing to contribute and share the Faith.
They are encouraging conservative/orthodox/traditional/pro-life Catholics faithful to the Magisterium to join them.
Think about it, and encourage others to pitch in and help if you feel its worthy. (I’ll probably be helping out as a Moderator as well as posting occasionally there too.)
Bears repeating.
Truer words have never been spoken. I’ve met people like Father speaks of. They simply cannot be reasoned with (I know you’ve emt them, too....we’ve seen many of them here). I believe that Satan has them in their grasp & nothing I say will change that. I believe a better battle plan, if you will, is to pray for them. Pray for their awakening & the conversion of their souls.
Dissent is the antonym of Communion.
**”There is no such thing as being a good Catholic and being disobedient to the Holy Father. There is no such thing as being a good Catholic and being a dissident when it comes to faith and morals. There is no such thing as dissent from authentic and authoritative Church teaching. No such thing. Those who do that separate themselves from Christ and His body. They become dead members of the body of Christ.**
Father Corapi minces no words at all, does he? Straightforward message. But will the dissenters get it?
(I doubt it.)
The Bible says: “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you and your family will be saved.”
If a person believes that they have not “lost the faith”.
Smart feller...But not one mention of him having Jesus Christ...
Smart feller...But not one mention of him having Jesus Christ...That's because Fr. Corapi has said (to his "saved" friends who question him, "have you been saved, Fr.? have you been saved?"), "I won't know if I've been saved until I'm looking Christ in the eye." Yes, Fr. Corapi is brilliant. He's on EWTN quite often. Watch him. You might learn something.
If he doesn't know whether he's saved or lost, there's nothing relevant that he could possibly teach me...
If he doesn't know whether he's saved or lost, there's nothing relevant that he could possibly teach me...
Which is why he is talking about you. You refuse to learn. I don’t know how many times you have been corrected. I’ve lost count of the forums I have seen you and the other Know Nothings twist words in your hatred and out and out lie in your hearts.
Yet, the next day after the correction you are back again with the same lies on a different thread. It is the difference between an honest belief and evil intent. Nothing will ever open your eyes or your heart. It is why you are lost to Christ and will remain so until you replace the hatred you cherish with the love Christ commands.
I usually end with the Rosary for you and the others for I truly pity you all.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Are you for real? That’s an absolutely absurd statement.
Very well said, even if you get your wrist slapped for saying it. People with this mindset are exactly what this article is referring to.
Other than your pope washing feet, I don't recollect any time I have been corrected...I have been disputed numerous times...
Why would any Christian be concerned about learning philosophy???
And I do read the work of theologians...Blood bought Theologians who know who their Savior is and who know they have a guaranteed spot in heaven...I wouldn't waste 10 seconds with a theologian who doesn't know if he's a Christian...
I usually end with the Rosary for you and the others for I truly pity you all.
So you want to pray to Mary to see if she can get me to give up my eternal security in Heaven and accept a religion that has no security...
So go for it...However, there's nothing you nor Mary can do to get my name out of the Book Of Life...
For those of you who do not know, Fr Corapi became a multi-millionaire during the real estate boom of the 1970s."I would go down Rodeo Drive in my new red Ferrari and people would turn their heads ... but I was out of touch with reality. Reality is God."But he eventually lost all of his money through a $10,000-a-week cocaine habit, and became a vagrant living on the streets. After years being homeless, his mother sent him a prayer card and asked him to say "just one Hail Mary a day." He thought what harm could it do, he felt awful and dead, and decided to pray to his heavenly mother.
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