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To: ejonesie22

The LDS are non-Trinitarian Christians. They do not follow the Jesus Christ of the Trinity. Yet, in as much as the Bible describes Jesus Christ they follow the Jesus Christ of the Bible.

The New Testament supports:

1. Physical body of Jesus Christ.

2. Subordination of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to God the Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost subordinate to both.

3. The conception of “oneness”.

That someone chooses to believe in the Trinity doesn’t give them a monopoly over who is and isn’t Christian.

For that we need to look at the Bible and what it says.


548 posted on 09/06/2010 11:10:07 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
You are the one who pointed out that the LDS themselves tell us they don't follow the same Christ. You do so again here when you say they don't believe in the Jesus Christ of the Trinity.

There are not two coequal Christs here, one is true and the other false.

One could take from you continued arguments that the Tritarian one is the false Christ.

I find it odd that the LDS are working so hard to convince everyone that they are “Christians too” when referring to those of us following a false Christ in their eyes. Makes no sense, except from a PR stand point, and we know very well the PR department of the LDS is the highest authority they answer too. Even god bows to its changes.

As far as biblical support, it supports the Trinity period. You can take any number of verses on their own and twist them to look otherwise, but you have to fly in the face of an entire story line that tells us from the first entries in Genesis forward there is only one God.

Christianity is not a Polytheistic faith. Never has been never shall be, but it is odd that the off shoot sects and cults almost always focus on the opposite, and almost always that man can reach such status as being a god. I guess that is always a draw “Be a god yourself!” has a nice ring.

Believing in the Trinity is one of the core beliefs that makes one part of the Christian faith. That one is a follower of that gives them them right, through Christ and the lessons of his apostles about false teaching, prophets and gosples, to judge same and define who is and is not following the faith through their affiliation with such sects and cults.

That same judgment grants us the discernment to judge Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism is the same we can use to judge those who are equally false whilst claiming the mantle of Christ. Something that three faiths I mention above at least have the decency not to do.

550 posted on 09/06/2010 1:20:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: 1010RD
So here we have it:
you (lds) do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible
you (lds) believe in multiple gods
you (lds) believe you will one day be a god
Now tell me again why this is Biblical thinking?
551 posted on 09/06/2010 1:23:01 PM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: 1010RD
BTW quick note, I noticed you did not answer my question at the end of my post.

What is it with you coy cultist anyways. Bold enough to demand attention and arrogantly pronounce everyone else wrong (regardless of evidence of the contrary). But never courageous enough to declare where you stand in a straightforward honest manner.

There have been several of you like that.

552 posted on 09/06/2010 2:29:21 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: 1010RD
The LDS are non-Trinitarian Christians.

Try polytheists - much more accurate term.

Subordination of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, to God the Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost subordinate to both.

Go back and look up the term economy of the Trinity, there you will see that it is not discussing the ontology of the Trinity, but an organization within the Godhead.

3. The conception of “oneness”.

Only via their 'twistianity' and ignoring very clear scriptural passages that there is only ONE TRUE GOD (go back and re-read the Isaiah passages again). John 1:1 is not a oneness in 'purpose' but a oneness in essence and in so much as Jesus is called God, Isaiah precludes anything but a Trinity. Not surprising that the Trinitarian formulas are present so early in the NT writings.

That someone chooses to believe in the Trinity doesn’t give them a monopoly over who is and isn’t Christian.

Ah contare mon amimie, it is the fundamental basis of Christianity, Mormon Jesus is created, Christian Trinitarian Jesus is the Eternal God - one Jesus will lead you into a false faith in works, the other will give you eternal life by grace through faith. Certainly a fundamentalist christian should know those differences.

558 posted on 09/06/2010 7:08:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: 1010RD; ejonesie22; Godzilla; svcw
The LDS are non-Trinitarian Christians.

I realize that the LDS is rejected as a Christian faith because it does not believe in the Trinity.

Pope John Paul II on Mormon Baptism

Explained further in the second to last Q and A

But a more fundamental irreconcilable difference, in my view, is the LDS doctrine of pre-mortal existence v Scripture.

More specifically, that LDS doctrine says that God the Father had a father-God who had a father-God who had a father-God, etc.

In that doctrine, God is “a” God not “the” God. He is “a” Creator not “the” Creator.

Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Independents and Non-Denominationals may disagree on many things, but they virtually all agree on Who God IS.

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: - Romans 1:20

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. – John 1:1-4

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20

And again,

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:8

And concerning the doctrine of the Trinity:

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matthew 28:19

To God be the glory, not man, never man.

559 posted on 09/06/2010 9:12:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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