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To: 1010RD
So now it has been established that the First Vision is supported in the New Testament.

No; it isn't.

NEVER is GOD the Father 'seen' in the NT.

NEVER is the Father described as having a PHYSICAL body.

360 posted on 08/22/2010 4:55:29 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Elsie
NEVER is GOD the Father 'seen' in the NT.

NEVER is the Father described as having a PHYSICAL body.

My dear sister, you have a black swan problem of the first order.

Joseph Smith's First Vision establishes two facts about the nature of God the Father: 1. He is separate from Jesus Christ, His Son. 2. He has a physical body.

Stephen's vision establishes the same thing:

Acts 7:55-56 (New International Version)

55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56”Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Acts 7:55-56 (New American Standard Bible)

55But being (A)full of the Holy Spirit, he (B)gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing (C)at the right hand of God;

56and he said, “Behold, I see the (D)heavens opened up and (E)the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Acts 7:55-56 (The Message)

54-56At that point they went wild, a rioting mob of catcalls and whistles and invective. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, hardly noticed—he only had eyes for God, whom he saw in all his glory with Jesus standing at his side. He said, “Oh! I see heaven wide open and the Son of Man standing at God’s side!”

The Bible is clear. You don't have to believe it, but the words mean seeing,gazing and using your eyes to view something.

Is Jesus standing next to someone? Yes, God the Father. He's no longer invisible to Stephen as Stephen is filled with the Holy Spirit.

Now, I am not going to keep reiterating the Biblically obvious.

You don't have to believe it, but you shouldn't lie about it any more.

366 posted on 08/22/2010 5:08:16 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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