All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother

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[armydoc]

"Some people are so foolish that they think they can go through life without the help of the Blessed Mother." "Love the Madonna and pray the rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today." "All graces given by God pass through the Blessed Mother."

[mlizzy]

You put enough carpet cleaner in any body and it won’t decay for 100 years either. Incoruptable. HOCUS POCUS!

There is no carpet cleaner in Padre Pio's veins. He died in September of 1968. His life (and death) are very well documented. The "HOCUS POCUS" you refer to would be directed toward Christ, as it was Christ who gave Padre Pio his wounds and allowed him to be incorruptible. What are the chances that you would have been able to live even one week with his wounds (all of the wounds of Christ; he lived 50 years with them) without weeping continually (those wounds bled and hurt!) like a troubled child or sorrowful woman consumed with cancer? Padre Pio endured immeasurable suffering (with joy!) to bring people to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

"Pray, pray to the Lord with me, because the whole world needs prayer. And every day, when your heart especially feels the loneliness of life, pray. Pray to the Lord, because even God needs our prayers" --St. Pio of Pietrelcina.

Video: Padre Pio Celebrates the Eucharist.

[mlizzy]

...this is the same pose Satanic worshippers take when they worship. If you put a black robe on this character he even looks like one of them. I am just saying it is not exactly a character I would put any weight in what he states.... He is one creepy looking character....

Padre Pio followed Christ his whole life. He is an incorruptible saint and stigmatic. The miracles that abound from his intercessions are innumerable. (This photo is "softer" as Padre Pio's eyes are cast in another direction, but continual suffering for decades on end -- in addition to one's fervor for Christ because of it -- can cause a person's expression to be very focused/intense.) What do you think Christ's face (in actuality) looked like as he was beaten to death on the Cross?

Padre Pio testimonials.

[mlizzy]

How is any Catholic, let alone others, to know WHO or WHAT to believe when we hear this sort of tripe from you and others?

Ask Jesus through prayer! I would, however, suggest you leave out the word "tripe." (Do you think Christ feels a Christian should be respectful regardless of thread designation?)

[LadyDoc]

look, there are exaggerators in all religions.

This is not Catholic dogma. It’s an exaggeration of the term “mediatrix of all graces”. But this merely means Mary mediates graces, but so does every saint and every Christian.

When I treat a patient, I am the “mediator” of God’s healing (as Pare said: I treated him but God cured him). And when we pray to Mary or the saints, or ask for our friends to pray for us, they are “mediators” of the graces that God sends to us (i.e. the middle men who help us gain God’s graces).

When Jesus said “when two or more are gathered in my name I am there” he was pointing out the importance of joint prayers. No, it’s not necessary, but it is part of our belief.

[LadyDoc]

you don’t like to say Hail Marys over and over again? Well, you don’t have to, and I marvel that you thought you had to do that...
The rosary was invented as a way for the illiterate to pray instead of saying the psalms of the “office”. If you can read, then pray the Divine Office.

[mlizzy]

Think of the pain Padre Pio was in all the time, yet he never complained.

Indeed! When I mentioned to my husband that I read Padre Pio said the full rosary (3 mysteries at that time as you know) in the vicinity of 35 times a day, Tom said after a pause ... "well, sometimes I say two rosaries." :)

One of the first books I read after becoming a Catholic was on Therese Neumann. I could barely flip the pages, seeing the suffering she endured, through her alleged stigmata (not yet confirmed nor denied by the RCC). And yet she retained such a glorious sense of humor. While she consumed no food other than the Holy Eucharist (1922-1962) nor drank water (even the water she brushed her teeth with was expelled (1926-1962)), she nonetheless was overweight. When questioned in this regard, she said, "I guess I must take after my mother." Link on Therese Neumann.

In 2005, Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Bishop of Regensburg, formally opened the Vatican proceedings for her beatification. --Link.

[caww]

Well there does appear to be medical evidence that this bleeding isn't blood as always assumed....and there are various medical reasons for these disorders. Apparently in most cases the people with stigmatic lesions have a history of various medical and or psycotic illnesses.

The “other” ecstasies and such would indicate to me every reason to be skeptical of these happenings as being from God. Some go into trance states and see visions much as those of the occults. So I am not the least persuaded these people are somehow saintly people...when their happenings could very well not be of God...aside from the medical terms which indicate is the cause.

[caww]

Since God surely knows the hearts and minds of men I do think in his wisdom the account of Marys death was purposely eliminated.....as is little record of Mary in the scripture. But as is usual people in religious circles can take a plank of wood and somehow make it into something more than it is....creating something out of nothing more than in reality it is.

[MayflowerMadam]

Such blasphemy. It’ll be tough standing before God at the end and explain the idolatry here. Scary.

[aposiopetic]

But as is usual people in religious circles can take a plank of wood and somehow make it into something more than it is

I can agree with this portion of your post, though not all of it.

The fact that all Scripture is inspired by God (2 Tim 3:16), on which we can surely agree, does not mean that only Scripture is inspired by God.

If your position is that an account of what happened to Mary at the end of her earthly life was left out of the Bible for a reason, again we can agree, though I assure you that I am not on this thread claiming to know the reason. :)

However, if you say that an account that Mary was assumed into heaven is not trustworthy because such an account is not in the Bible, this has the same logical status as saying that a list of 66 books in the Bible {Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, ..., 3 John, Jude, Revelation} is not trustworthy because such a list is not in the Bible.

[Little Ray]

No offense, but I didn’t see that anywhere in the Bible.

[Da_Shrimp]

I always find it curious that Mary assumed some of the titles that were originally held by Isis, especially Queen of Heaven and Star of the Sea.

It's almost as though the early Church wanted the ex-pagan converts to feel at home and give them something familiar to focus on.

[mlizzy]

...I am not the least persuaded these people are somehow saintly people...when their happenings could very well not be of God...

Only that which is positive has occurred through the intercessions of Padre Pio since his death in 1968 (so numerous are these miracles/events, they *all* cannot be quantified); why would Satan be involved in 40+ years of helping people to see God? Wouldn't that defeat his purpose? (For instance, how long did it take you to see that the devil was in the details regarding our current administration?) That being said, of course these happenings need to be thoroughly looked into. That is precisely what the Church does do.

[aposiopetic]

To counter Nestorius, the Council of Ephesus declared that it was appropriate to call her, Mother of God. As to the origins of those other titles, which would seem to be less comprehensive, I am not up on the history.

[mlizzy]

It’ll be tough standing before God at the end and explain the idolatry here. Scary.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2112 The first commandment condemns polytheism. It requires man neither to believe in, nor to venerate, other divinities than the one true God. Scripture constantly recalls this rejection of "idols, [of] silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see." These empty idols make their worshippers empty: "Those who make them are like them; so are all who trust in them." God, however, is the "living God" who gives life and intervenes in history. --Link

2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone: Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is. --Link

[Varda]

I think you’re correct about some of those titles i.e Star of the Sea.

Queen of Heaven is simply a title that follows from the belief that Jesus is God and King in the line of David. The mothers of the kings were the queens in ancient Israel.

[Da_Shrimp]

Thank you for the replies, I’ve always found it a fascinating possible link.

[ex-snook]

"Nowhere in the New Testament does Mary have anything to do with salvation that I know of. "

I think you must mean other than being the mother of Jesus, the One who brings salvation.

I believe she has special power so I ask her to pray for me. If I am wrong, I lose nothing. If I am right, I gain something. Praying is the better choice.

[ShadowAce]

So are you saying that the Bible is NOT about Christ?
Of course the Bible is about Christ. What made you ask that question?

Sorry--the Bible is NOT about Christ--it's about God's relationship with His creation, specifically us. Christ plays a very important role--a central role--but it's not a biography.