Posted on 08/10/2010 5:14:31 PM PDT by grassboots.org
“out-of-context quotes from MediaMatters”
I am not sure what quotes you are talking about. Why defend the notion that it doesn’t matter what god you serve and what he is like, and whether hell of exists or not, if you’re going to turn around and deny the quotes.
Make up your mind!
we don’t see a problem with “Restoring Honor”.
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Is that the mormon type of “restoring” ???
Borg n. In “Star Trek: The Next Generation” the Borg is a species of cyborg that ruthlessly seeks to incorporate all sentient life into itself; their slogan is “You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.”
degrading nickname for the Mormons, Mormon + Borg = Morg.
I really don’t understand how folks can turn a ‘Restoring Honor’ rally into a Mormon recruiting session.
Palin’s presence alone indicates to me that it is about the Constitution and personal integrity of everyone, but especially those who serve.
Palin has mentioned in the past the importance of journalists and elected officials being honest. The implication that many in both professions are failing to act with integrity.
Reno,
I have read your homepage. You make some interesting points, but your viewpoint resorts to some sophistry.
1. The LDS does not believe that Scripture can be interpreted properly by laymen, but we must resort to prophets in general, and the president (Apostle) in particular.
2. Since the book of Mormon is inspired, but the Bible is only inspired as it is translated properly, I must also do three things:
A. Trust LDS prophets
B. Accept the subjective notion that “I will feel it in my bosom to be so”
C. Believe that revelation is ongoing, so that tomorrow what I believe may be changed (acceptance of black elders, denial of polygamy, the fact that god himself was created and once a man, etc).
So even if I were to believe some of what you said on your homepage, tomorrow the Mormons may change it.
Not sure exactly where you’re coming from. All the scriptures I cited were from the KJV Bible, non from the Book of Mormon. Most of the sources were non LDS. The history cited, for the better part, wasn’t LDS history, nor written by LDS historians.
It was rather a factual discussion on the Trinity & the possible problems w/ the belief therein. Is there anything that you dispute on my home page, other than you apparently don’t subscribe to LDS beliefs in revelation etc.?
My original post to you was simply to show that belief in the Trinity wasn’t as cut & dry as you portrayed it to be.
Have a great week.
Let’s start from the very first Scripture you quote:
““And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”. John 17:3”
Is the true God spoken of there, Jehovah? Has Jehovah, this true God, always existed as God? Was he once a man? What was he like as a man? Did he sin? (I speak as a mad man!) If we cannot know these things, how can we know the only true God?
This is why I answered as I did. It will do no good to argue the meaning of this passage if you don’t resort to either the book of Mormon or LDS prophets.
Grass - you pretty well summarized initial mormonism. One additional item of clarification is that mormonism recognizes that there are uncounted gods in existence - in contrast to One in Christianity.
Thank you Zilla,
Lord Willing, next week, for my grand finale, I will post an essay on Glenn Beck and Mormonism in Glenn’s own words, starting with the notion that childen choose their parents.
Please remember to ping me to that thread!
Done Deal
“Is the true God spoken of there, Jehovah?”
If one reads the other scriptures cited, it becomes very apparent that the God spoken of is the Father, not Jehovah or Jesus Christ. That’s not to say that Jesus wasn’t a God, just not THE God referenced in the other scriptures I cited.
As to arguing the meaning of this passage, I think one can argue the meaning just fine w/ the plethora of scriptures I cited as well as the historical content provided. The fact is that most of the Bishops around the time of the Nicene Creed didn’t buy the Trinity argument, but rather the argument that they were 3 separate & distinct beings. I think they had good reason given the argument I laid out.
As to your other questions, perhaps we can get to those after the Trinity discussion. Some here like to shoot off into other directions when cornered on a particular subject. I’d rather stay on topic.
My daughter is headed is headed off to college this weekend, so I’m not sure how much time I’ll have, but I would enjoy a civil, reasoned discussion. Best wishes for a great weekend.
It is late tonight; I will renew this in the next 1-3 days.
It is interesting that someone suggested who some of the other speakers might be. It reminds me of a book written in the 1800s.
Entered from iPad please excuse mistakes.
The leaders of the Sunday movement [pg 588] may advocate reforms which the people need, principles which are in harmony with the Bible; yet while there is with these a requirement which is contrary to God’s law, His servants cannot unite with them. Nothing can justify them in setting aside the commandments of God for the precepts of men.
Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of Spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of Spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience.
As Spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of Spiritualism, miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power.
I wonder if we any spiritualism will be witnessed during this event further confirming those things penned in th 1800s
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