Posted on 08/10/2010 5:14:31 PM PDT by grassboots.org
Talk show host Glenn Beck regularly provides conservatives with a wealth of useful information. He can be witty, self-deprecating, and endearing on the radio while dead serious and engaging on TV. Sometimes you laugh until you cry. Sometimes you just cry. There is a great deal to commend in his efforts. Dr. Beck (who received an honorary doctorate from the late Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University), diagnoses the Progressive Movement as the disease killing our land, then courageously goes after people in high places, especially the latest menu of Marxist fruits, flakes, and nuts the Barack Obama administration serves us up for breakfast every morning. According to Deseret News, “Beck also doesn't shy away from religious topics, spending much of another show this week talking about salvation through Jesus Christ.”
Speaking of religion, The Number Three Talker in the Land recently traveled around the country holding “American Revival” meetings in preparation for a huge “Restore Honor” rally in Washington, DC next month, to be held at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial. Tens of thousands will probably attend the August 28th and 29th events, perhaps more. Because showman Beck knows how to generate buzz by only dishing out rally information in small doses, details are sketchy. We do know former Vice-Presidential candidate Sarah Palin is an integral part of the event though Beck denies the emphasis will be on politics. It is almost a certainty there will be a heavy dose of Patriotism and religion. The rallies are set to promote the ethics of Faith, Hope, and Charity, show support for the military, and emphasize putting God back at the forefront of our lives.
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“I believe the good must stand against the evil”
It is evil to say it does not matter which god you serve.
You cannot measure “good” and “evil” by politics alone, but only by the Word of God. Glen is quick to label anybody who doesn’t agree with him a progressive (his version of the boogie man). He begged Tea Partiers not to let “birthers” take a lead (I am no birther), but doesn’t speak at all against social liberals involvement in the TP movement. His priorities are skewed.
“I think the concern is that the Mormon Jesus isn’t THE Jesus. Which leads to the question: How correct do we have to be about who/what Jesus is?”
I understand - really, I do. I’ve said I reject Joseph Smith as a prophet and therefore Mormonism. I’ve read the Book of Mormon and “tested” it’s spirits and come to a personal decision that it is not “of God”. However, I refuse to judge another’s faith or lack of - I believe that was the message in Matthew 7:1.
I reject tenets of many Protestant denominations. I reject ordinances and rituals of Catholicism and Orthodox churches. I am a cult of one, in a personal relationship with my Lord and Saviour as I have come to know Him over 55 years. Still, I seek out fellowship with other Christians of all stripes and testify to non-Christians who are open to it through friendship and love. “Love thy neighbor” has no exceptions that I can find. Even “Love thy enemies” has no asterisk despite the difficulty.
I know Jesus Christ as my Redeemer and Lord and through him I am saved and an heir to the covenant of Abraham. It is personal, it cannot be otherwise. As Glenn has hammered, there is no “collective salvation”. Christ’s teachings are personal and difficult to follow because to be Christian is to be “Christ-like”, but to be human is to be imperfect. To me, that is challenge enough without questioning how correct we must be about who/what Jesus is or challenge another’s personal relationships with Him.
Did all the Apostles have the same relationship with Jesus or see Him the same? Why do some accounts differ? Why did Judas betray Him? These are all questions that make interesting debates but, divert from the real message and will matter not one whit in the end. Hell or no hell? Baptism by immersion or sprinkling? Paradise at the moment of death or resurrection when Christ returns? These questions are just as controversial, but does any of it really matter? If a person professes salvation through Christ Jesus it is between them and God. When Beck professes Christianity in public, I cherish his blessing, celebrate his salvation but, I cannot and will not judge his sincerity. Matthew 7:1 reads more like a command than a suggestion imo. Just my 2¢.
Not that I am aware of...
I fear you trust Glenn Beck more than you do the apostles. You express doubt at every turn about the perspicuity of Scripture, the reliability of God’s Word.
Apparently we don’t have to be right about whether Jesus has always existed or not, whether he was really Resurrected from the dead or not, but we must give Glenn the benefit of the doubt because he supposedly made a public profession of faith. But this is the GB that said it doesn’t matter which God you serve, Muslim, Hindu or Christian.
Why do you trust Beck, but doubt the apostles?
Well no, I don't think anyone is questioning his sincerity about his faith.
If I sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is/was a poodle and then went on to profess most of the orthodox Christological doctrines would that whole poodle thing matter? Nobody freak out please, as best I can understand it Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is a creature... which on the scale of things puts Him in the poodle class right along with us.
It goes beyond that of course because Mormons believe and teach that God the Father is also a creature.
Is it just the names that matter? If I say I believe in God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and I have fixed in my mind the idea of vishnu and a poodle does my sincerity do any good?
And now? retired?
Whenever I am talking; NO one can tell if I misspell a wurd or not!
Just guessing; I'd say the CHRISTIAN one; for his BACKGROUND would influence him that way.
I'd go so far to say that he has NOT 'researched' all the things that MORMONism teaches.
yet...
Uh, no; they are not.
Don’t be so frumious!
Keep your vorpal sword in hand!
If the Pope, Billy Graham and Glenn Beck walk into a bar, we’ll have something....
Have no fears FRiend. Facts are what they are - and words mean things.
I never said I doubt the Apostles, but you said I do, evidently because I state the fact that Gospel accounts differ, illustrating that everyone doesn’t see all things the same. To me, saying I “doubt the Apostles” is bearing false wittiness - but as I’ve said, Matthew 7:1 admonishes me not to judge your heart. You shift the focus of my statement that personal perceptions differ and demonize me as Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” teaches, divert and attack.
That Matthew and Luke differ, or that John differs from the Synoptic Gospels (”Synoptic” is a Greek word meaning “having a common view)” is well established in Christian theology. Changing the subject to latch onto red herrings in order to discredit seems to me a curious approach to a fellow Christian, but I can see that you do not consider anyone out of step with you to be saved.
The blogger takes Beck’s words out of context using MediaMatters/huffingtonpost out of context quotes to attack Beck and you have no trouble embracing them as facts, yet you say I doubt the Gospels when you have little insight into what I believe. Saying Beck mocks God for judging sin is simply untrue, but God bless you, you are entitled to your opinions and misunderstandings.
Saying I’m “worried about throwing stones” is also untrue. I made an observation - I’m really not “worried”, but it illustrates again how you twist words to serve your agenda.
That I, “don’t really deal with any of the substance of the article” is perhaps true, since I see no substance in it, only an attack on someone who’s personal views may differ.
I have read enough of George Whitefield’s sermons to know that I disagree with many of his thesis and beliefs. I believe that’s allowed - you may not. I still respect him for his persistence as I do you, but I feel he perhaps played a larger role in the founding of the country than you, and I feel Beck’s positive reenforcement of values (Faith, Hope & Charity) go farther to benefit the country than the parroting of MediaMatters talking points to demonize Beck here at Free Republic. I believe intelligent people can disagree on whether Mormons are Christian without resorting to tactics unbecoming of all Christians (like your claim that I doubt the Apostles when I said no such thing).
While I doubted some (many) actually read the entire article, I do not recall “mocking” them as you say I did, but you seem to like throwing that accusation at anyone who differs from your opinions. It’s that Saul Alinsky attack style again. If that’s your narrow-minded brand of Christianity, you are free to practice it, but I prefer a more tolerant Christianity that honors Beck like Liberty University with whom I have no affiliation and have theological differences with as well.
Differences are not always bad. There are many flavors of Christianity and my freedom of religion allows me to differ from yours without personal attacks on you and having words put into my mouth. Perhaps your Christianity doesn’t allow for those freedoms and you must twist words to say Beck believes, “the idea that every god is the same”, when he actually said it doesn’t matter your religion, your skin color or your political persuasion when attending the 8/28 “Restoring Honor” event, the same way you twist my words illustrating that perceptions differ to say I, “doubt the apostles” and by inference, the Gospels.
I agree to disagree with you. I believe Christians, putting differences aside and uniting is more productive than Christians dividing, but the long history of the church is one of division, so I concede you may be correct in all you say. I believe the same about conservatives uniting for a common goal, but, in the end, I think we can agree that neither you, nor I is the ultimate arbitor.
I'm criticizing Beck for using his influence to try and woo Christians away from Christianity. The mormons send out more that 50,000 missionaries every day to do the same. Whether Beck OR any mormon is patriotic does not give them leeway to falsely paint the religion as Christian.
In my opinion, Beck will go too far with this proselytizing and damage the conservative position.
You state, "I wonder what they gain from conservatives eating their own."...well, in the current situation, with the country in dire straits, I'd say that Beck using his platform to proselytize mormonism is an example of his setting the table for "conservatives eating their own".
Here is the interesting fact... Joseph Smith was a methodist before he founded mormonism.. he taught that all Christian religions were from the devil ..and the temple initiation rite the devil is a preacher..
Joseph Smith also hated Calvinism and implied that was the solution offed by Lucifer (Christ's brother) for the salvation of the world.. that is what "the heavenly father" rejected and that led to the "war in heaven"
beck is taking us all for a ride on the mormon tour bus
I think he really believes he is the fulfillment of the "White Horse " prophecy
Exactly !!
I agree .. he is very bright and delivers his message with great humor ... he is great informative entertainment ..BUT he is a danger to the conservative movement and so many do not see it
The indisputable definition of a Christian:
“I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit
was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake
he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven and is seated
at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
the giver of life, who proceeds
from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
And one, holy, catholic
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism
for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen”
Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, and Seventh day Adventists do not qualify as Christians.
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