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Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 3 Pillars of the Church's Authority
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Posted on 08/10/2010 8:17:05 AM PDT by Salvation

Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With

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The 3 Pillars of the Church's Authority

The 3 Pillars of the Church's Authority
Sacred Scripture
Sacred Tradition
Living Magisterium


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiclist; holytradition; magisterium
This is an open thread to discuss the three pillars of the Authority of the Church.
1 posted on 08/10/2010 8:17:07 AM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 08/10/2010 8:20:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 3 Pillars of the Church's Authority

3 posted on 08/10/2010 8:22:36 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Sacred Scripture links:

Where Is That Taught in the Bible?
When Was the Bible Really Written?
Three Reasons for Teaching the Bible [St. Thomas Aquinas]
The Smiting Is Still Implied (God of the OT vs the NT)
Where Is That Taught in the Bible?
Friday Fast Fact: The Bible in English
Bible Reading is Central in Conversions to Catholicism in Shangai, Reports Organization
Verses (in Scripture) I Never Saw
5 Myths about 7 Books

Lectionary Statistics - How much of the Bible is included in the Lectionary for Mass? (Popquiz!)
Pope calls Catholics to daily meditation on the Bible
What Are the "Apocrypha?"
The Accuracy of Scripture
US Conference of Catholic Bishops recommendations for Bible study
CNA unveils resource to help Catholics understand the Scriptures
The Dos and Don’ts of Reading the Bible [Ecumenical]
Pope to lead marathon Bible reading on Italian TV
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Books of the Catholic Bible: The Complete Scriptures [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: When Was The Bible Written? [Ecumenical]
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
U.S. among most Bible-literate nations: poll
Bible Lovers Not Defined by Denomination, Politics
Dei Verbum (Catholics and the Bible)
Vatican Offers Rich Online Source of Bible Commentary
Clergy Congregation Takes Bible Online
Knowing Mary Through the Bible: Mary's Last Words
A Bible Teaser For You... (for everyone :-)
Knowing Mary Through the Bible: New Wine, New Eve

Return of Devil's Bible to Prague draws crowds
Doctrinal Concordance of the Bible [What Catholics Believe from the Bible] Catholic Caucus
Should We Take the Bible Literally or Figuratively?
Glimpsing Words, Practices, or Beliefs Unique to Catholicism [Bible Trivia]
Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?
Church and the Bible(Caatholic Caucus)
Pope Urges Prayerful Reading of Bible
Catholic Caucus: It's the Church's Bible
How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
The Church or the Bible

4 posted on 08/10/2010 8:23:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Sacred Tradition links:

Do Christians Need Only the Bible?
[T]radition and [t]radition (and just what is the difference?) [Ecumenical]
What is Holy Tradition?
Why Does The Catholic Church Accept Traditions? [Ecumenical]

A Return to Tradition: A new interest in old ways takes root in Catholicism and many other faiths
Scripture Is Tradition
SCRIPTURE AND TRADITION
The Importance of Tradition Today
The Place of Custom and Tradition

Early Church Fathers on (Oral) Tradition - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
Holy Tradition: The Road That Leads Home
On Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition
Recovering the Catholic Moral Tradition: The notion of happiness
Tradition and Reform

APOSTOLIC TRADITION: Consistency or Contradiction?
Can Vatican II be interpreted in the light of Tradition?
The New Mass: A Return to Tradition???
Pope praises Ukrainian-Catholic Church for upholding Sacred Tradition, communion with Seat of Peter
The Shadow Tradition - Magisterium vs Murk

[Catholic] Tradition catching on with Baptists [Ecumenical Ash Wed. Service]
Pope will preside at Ash Wednesday Mass, procession; act will renew ancient tradition
How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
Papal Supremacy Is Against Tradition
"In Light Of Tradition"... The Society Of St. Pius X And Vatican II

5 posted on 08/10/2010 8:24:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Magisterium links:

Allen interview of Cardinal George supports report of ‘parallel magisterium’ worries
The Magisterium: A Precious Gift (Catholic Caucus)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium
Anti-Popes and Dangers of a Parallel Magisterium (Church under attack) [Catholic Caucus]
Pontiff Calls for Complete Fidelity to Magisterium

Modernism and the Magisterium
Catholic Word of the Day: EXTRAORDINARY MAGISTERIUM , 10-23-09
“Exemplary loyalty and devotion to the Holy Father and the magisterium”
Nostra Aetate [Catholic Magisterium Rejecting Collective Guilt of Jews]
Docility (on Catholic dogma and infallibility)
The Magisterium: A precious gift
Welcome To The Catholic Church: A Gated Community? [Ecumenical]
Catholic Tide Is Turning: Interview With Author David Hartline
The Development of Doctrine
Thank God For the Magisterium

THE CHURCH'S MAGISTERIUM
Catholic Caucus: How the Infallibility of the Magisterium Protects Us
The Magisterium: A Complex and Diverse Reality
What Is the Magisterium and Why Do We Need It?
Secretary of State: a Top Collaborator In Governance of Universal Church
Pope’s challenge of true Catholic university: faithfulness to the Magesterium
Confraternity of Catholic Clergy 2005
German cardinal lashes out at 'secular Europe' (Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger)
Does the Bishops' voter guide confuse priorities of magisterial teaching?
Does The Vatican Have A Duty To Declare One Roman Catholic Church in China?

6 posted on 08/10/2010 8:56:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The infallibility of the different aspects of the church really twists my mind into a knot. The best I can understand infallibility is that the laity must treat everything as infallible unless an express statement is made that something was in error. Next, the pronouncement of error must be treated as infallible unless a future pronouncement denounces the previous pronouncement.

I think there are really only 3 infallible statements that have been made in an infallible way. Everything else is fallible, but must be treated as infallible by the laity.

Regarding the early church fathers, many believed in Subordinationism. Many of the same fathers who taught tradition taught subordinationism. The laity at the time were to treat this teaching as infallible. Around 350, subordinationaism was rejected, so the teaching that was to be treated as infallible was actually fallible and in error.

So my problem with tradition is that it's fallible, but we must treat it as infallible because someone who is fallible told us their teachings are infallible even though they know their teachings are fallible and accept the fact that a future fallible statement could affect the infallibility of their teachings. Like I said, it hurts my brain.

7 posted on 08/10/2010 9:14:02 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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**that the laity must treat everything as infallible **

No, this is a misunderstanding. Only pronouncements by the Pope and the Magisterium on matters of faith and morals.

A pronouncement on starvation in the world or rainfall or how to dress to go to church would not fall in the faith and morals category — although they all come close.


8 posted on 08/10/2010 9:28:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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