[Mad Dawg]

but Jesus has given us the sacraments to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation.

Unbelievable!! Now sacraments are needed for salvation.

I can quite understand that leaning unto one's own reason might not appeal, but it would be nice if SOME leaning toward SOME reason were taking place.

"Necessary" modifies "graces", not "sacraments." The statement says the graces are necessary. It does not say the sacraments are absolutely necessary.

Did you note Dfendr's tag line?
"Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur."

Care to venture a guess as to what it means?

[presently no screen name]

Word challenge? Is that the best you got?

but Jesus has given us the sacraments to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation.

The statement says the graces are necessary. It does not say the sacraments are absolutely necessary.

So what Jesus gave you - the sacraments - to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

but Jesus has given us the sacraments; although they are NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, to impart the graces necessary to obtain eternal salvation.

Is that better - I'm trying to help you guys stay on the same page, deceptive as it is.

[RnMomof7]

"Necessary" modifies "graces", not "sacraments." The statement says the graces are necessary. It does not say the sacraments are absolutely necessary.

I don't know if you say the sacraments give the necessary graces to be saved, are you not saying the sacraments are necessary to get that grace? I think that is splitting hairs..

define grace for me huh MD?