Posted on 08/07/2010 3:38:50 PM PDT by Salvation
It is fact, the Democrats never win the Protestant vote, and they usually win the Catholic vote (Obama for example), as far as polling on the subject, look at the chart in post 106.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
Alright, I’ve had enough!
I am 33 years old, lifelong Catholic and have NEVER voted for a Democrat/Liberal/Progressive. Furthermore, I have plenty of non-Catholic friends who have. Some of them are real holy-rolling, bible-thumping, anti-Catholics who are quite smug about their being “saved” while I’m allegedly not. Yet, these people use birth control & emergency contraception and vote Democrat. I lost alot of these “friends” over my views on the Terri Schivo case because they thought starving a woman to death was a “merciful” thing to do. I have worked with many fundie nurses who believe in euthanasia & plenty who thought Clinton was just a hottie who was unfairly targeted by Ken Starr & Newt Gingrich.
The point is, I could go on & on. There are plenty of hypocrites on both sides. I see people on here trying to explain to you the difference between Catholics and Catholics-in-name-only. Yet you seem to be the one who isn’t interested in an intellectually honest discussion. Get with it.
You wrote:
“This is silly, Democrats will never end abortion,”
This is silly, Protestants will never end abortion.
“and Catholics are a Democrat constituency, by the way look at the chart in post 106.”
And Protestants are a Liberal constituency, by the look of it.
“If you want to end abortion then get a majority of Catholics to vote like the majority of Protestants.”
If you want to end abortion, then get a majority of Protestants to become orthodox Christians for the first time in their lives.
“Protestants clearly can not carry the load alone,”
Protestants clearly carry the load of responsibility for abortion being legal in this country.
“they voted against Obama”
They put Obama in the White House.
“but they need help from a majority of Catholics, not a minority of them.”
But Protestants will clearly insist on killing more children through abortifacients like the pill and making excuses.
Where did that data come from? That is not what we talk about. It’s pro-life. Must be bad info.
**the majority of Catholics are liberals**
You are so wrong.
The majority of Catholics are very, very, very conservative. Think about the REAl Catholics, not the CINOs.
No REAL Catholic voted for Obama....(BTW, your numbers are wrong — they came out with new numbers after the final vote....but no one wants to find them. They just want to slam Catholics because of the CINOs. Believe me, I know, because some of my CINO family voted for Obortion O.
But real Catholics did not vote for him.
Please stop telling lies by repeating these supposed facts, because they aren’t the facts.
You keep going back to religious theory and ignoring how the Catholics actually believe and vote in real life.
That is what I am trying to get people to see, changes can not be made until American Catholics see the scale of the relationship between Catholics and the Democratic party.
We can not change electoral politics when even the supposed, conservative activists of the Catholic membership don’t even know that the majority of their fellow Catholics are pro-abortion Democrats, and we sure won’t be able to mobilize our anti-illegal immigration efforts if Catholics don’t realize that those illegals are just more pro-abortion, Democrat voters.
“You can not find a more pro-life church than Southern Baptists.”
Define pro-life. It’s not just abortion, you know. And if you want to make comparisons, I’ll challenge you that the Catholic church is the purist in its stance on life.
The following verses are in your bible too... James 2:21, John 8:56, Matthew 3:9, Acts 7:2, Acts 21:40, 22:1, 9:10, Romans 4:16-17.
The quote from Matthew 23 can not be removed context of Jesus’ entire statement and the audience for whom Matthew was writing.
So, the SBs are all in favor of murdering innocent children if they think the mothers are in danger.
Not only that but I bet they’re in favor of in-vitro fertilization, too. People think that “pro-life” means just abortion. They need to get educated
**“If we can get Catholics to vote like Protestants then we could stop abortion.”**
Then why is it that only Catholics are out praying in front of abortion clinics?
Actions speak louder than words!
No they did not find some magical new numbers about the 2008 election, people have called you on that for probably a year on thread after thread.
I get that you don’t like Catholics that don’t vote like you do and you deny them the Catholic faith, but I think that the Vatican still counts them as Catholic in spite of your presumptions.
Tell me what you think is the true number of Catholics in the United States, do we take that 54% right off the top of the total that the Catholic church claims?
Too many... we have to do a better job with the whole internal evangelization thing.
Too many folks who are Catholic or might have been Catholic believe in some sola fide nonsense (some Latin term I don’t understand... )and as a result don’t act quite right.
You wrote:
“You keep going back to religious theory and ignoring how the Catholics actually believe and vote in real life.”
More Protestants voted for Obama than Catholics. You keep ignoring that. Protestants gave us abortion. Protestants gave us Obama.
“That is what I am trying to get people to see, changes can not be made until American Catholics see the scale of the relationship between Catholics and the Democratic party.”
Changes cannot be made until Protestants stop putting people like Obama and Clinton in the White House.
“We can not change electoral politics when even the supposed, conservative activists of the Catholic membership don’t even know that the majority of their fellow Catholics are pro-abortion Democrats, and we sure won’t be able to mobilize our anti-illegal immigration efforts if Catholics don’t realize that those illegals are just more pro-abortion, Democrat voters.”
Protestants put Obama in the White House.
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REPLY.
I felt there were some Spirit born insights in that. PRAISE GOD.
Nice YOU noticed that it was at least worth reading! LOL.
Denial is very common on this thread, clinging to illusions and fantasy is no way to advance conservatism.
You wrote:
“Denial is very common on this thread, clinging to illusions and fantasy is no way to advance conservatism.”
Many more Protestants voted for Obama than Catholics. Will you deny that?
Protestants put Obama in the White House.
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