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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Does Christ’s grace extend to Beck and other Mormons?


35 posted on 08/05/2010 8:32:14 AM PDT by Dexter Morgan (Everyone hides who they are.)
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To: Dexter Morgan; The Ignorant Fisherman
Does Christ’s grace extend to Beck and other Mormons?

Of course it does! But you've misjudged the foundational Q if you think that's where it begins in Mormonism. The real question within Mormonism when it comes to grace is to ask the individual Mormon, "do you need to work for God's grace to kick in? Is it something you earn by your worthiness? Is it a merit badge?"

I mean, #1, I won't try to pretend I know how every Mormon applies grace vs. merit to their lives...but we can take a look at Book of Mormon passages and make a few surface conclusions:

Q. According to the Book of Mormon, who initiates grace -- man or God?
A. Man

Q. Where is that found?
A. Helaman 12:24 and 2 Nephi 25:23

And may God grant, in his great fulness, that men might be brought unto repentance and good works, that they might be restored unto grace for grace, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS. (Hel. 12:24)

If grace is "merited" "according to...works" -- then, sorry, "grace" is no longer "free." It's been turned on its head & 100% redefined. (Just try teaching your kids to merit their birthday & Christmas "gifts" "according to their works.")

...for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, AFTER ALL WE CAN DO. (2 Nephi 25:23)

And here, grace only kicks in like some afterburner on a rocket after you've used all your own fuel to get to a certain location. Tell us, what Mormon would actually have the gall to say to God, "Lord, I've done EVERYTHING I could possibly do. Spiritually. Physically. Emotionally. Mentally. Relationally. Etc. I've 'initiated' it, Lord, for your grace" ???

53 posted on 08/05/2010 1:44:10 PM PDT by Colofornian (If we could "CTR" we wouldn't need a Savior. [See 1 Corinthians 1:30])
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To: Dexter Morgan

To: Dexter Morgan
ABSOLUTLY!! iT IS NOT A DENOMINATION OR ONE OWN’S PERSONAL VIEW OF CHRIST ETC.. IT IS ALL BASED ON THE GOD’S WORD AND REMEDY FOUND IN CHRIST.
tHE gREAT VERSE STATES IT ALL! (John 3:16-17)
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world (ALL); but that the world(All) through him might be saved.

In the end it is not a religion (a spiritual philosophy) but a relationship in Spirit and truth (John 4:24).

http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2009/04/take-gospel-of-john-challenge.html

sorry about the cap lock


76 posted on 08/05/2010 3:15:48 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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