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Christianity and the State
Chalcedon Foundation ^

Posted on 08/04/2010 4:59:34 PM PDT by USALiberty

Not only is every church a religious institution, but every state or social order is a religious establishment. Every state is a law order, and every law order represents an enacted morality, with procedures for the enforcement of that morality. Every morality represents a form of theological order, i.e., is an aspect and expression of a religion. The church thus is not the only religious institution; the state also is a religious institution. More often than the church, the state has been the central religious institution of most civilizations through the centuries.

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To return to the basic problem today, the real issue is not between church and state, but is simply this: the state as a religious establishment has progressively disestablished Christianity as its law foundation, and, while professing neutrality, has in fact established humanism as the religion of the state.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christiannation; lawofgod; theonomy
This is SO true! We are either Christian or statist. We can't be both!
1 posted on 08/04/2010 4:59:37 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty

There will always be a basis for the law. Christianity has been replaced with humanism. Mankind will pay dearly for this horrible mistake.


2 posted on 08/04/2010 5:17:57 PM PDT by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: USALiberty

You miss the point. All law is religious in nature, in the sense that it proceeds from the moral basis of a particular belief system. The only question is: which belief system’s moral basis shall we have as the foundation of our law?


3 posted on 08/04/2010 5:20:01 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Jacquerie

I agree. We are already paying.


4 posted on 08/04/2010 5:20:42 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: USALiberty

Bookmark.


5 posted on 08/04/2010 5:33:00 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: B-Chan

The foundation of ALL LAW is GOD’S LAW! To the extent that our laws stray from Biblical Law, we are being unlawful, regardless of what the statutes say.


6 posted on 08/04/2010 5:38:15 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: USALiberty
Finally someone else is seeing thru the trees, by the grace of God.

Outlawing formal religion results in replacing it with a functional ideological equivalent. Secularity as a condition of a non-ecclesiastical state may be distinguished with secularism as an ideology, with key Supreme court decisions being used to infer state favor toward the nonreligious, resulting in a "religion-free education" which "indoctrinates" the young into viewing secularism as the only frame of reference.[45]

Paul G. Kussrow and Loren Vannest ask, Is a religiously neutral public school education an oxymoron?, and see notable Supreme court Establishment Clause decisions (such as Engel v. Vatale, l962) as in essence creating "a legal fiction--a myth of religious neutrality." They argue that "Philosophy and religion blur when dealing with these basics, such as truth, while pointing to the ultimate questions and answers in life," and that, "Any discussion of a secular-religious distinction is self-refuting. For someone's values are always being advocated even in so called "neutral" settings."

Removing formal God (and morality) based religion from the public schools is seen to have the effect of supplanting it with Secular Humanism. This in turn promotes pantheism, the worship of nature with its evolutionary hypothesis, and the rejection of moral absolutes (especially those of the Bible), resulting in a dangerous ever-morphing morality and decline of beneficial traditional morality.[46]

In support of this understanding, declarations by humanists such as John J. Dunphy, are often invoked:

I am convinced that the battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith...These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach,...The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new—the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism...[47]

Kussrow and Vannest argue that "since atheism is a religion under the establishment clause, (Malnak v. Yogi, l977), given the above facts, secular humanism must be considered a religion for the purposes of the First Amendment (Gove v. Mead School District, l985)", noting that "the American Humanist Association even has a religious tax exemption status approved by the Federal government."[48] In United States v. Kauten (2d Cir. 1943), conscientious objector status was granted to Mathias Kauten, not due to his belief in God, but on the basis of his “religious conscience.”[49]

Other evidence indicates that U.S. courts have moved from a generally substantive definition of religion, in which the religion affirms a transcendent deity, to a functional definition of religion, which Secular Humanism has been defined by some courts to be. In the Torcaso v. Watkins case in 1961, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of a Maryland notary public who was disqualified from office because he would not declare a belief in God. The Court argued that theistic religions could not be favored by the Court over non-theistic religions.

In the light of such, James Davison Hunter argues that,

To be legally consistent the courts will either have to articulate a constitutional double standard or apply the functional definition of religion to the no establishment clause just as they have to the free exercise [clause]. The latter would mean that secularistic faiths and ideologies would be rigorously prohibited from receiving even indirect support from the state, which needless to say would have enormous implications for public education.[50]

Separation of church and state


7 posted on 08/04/2010 5:42:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: daniel1212

That link should be to http://conservapedia.com/Separation_of_church_and_state#State-sanctioned_secularism_as_religion


8 posted on 08/04/2010 5:49:26 PM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: USALiberty

The Church at war with the world is the Church alive. The institutional church is not Christian and is not alive. The living Church is the Body of Christ. Christ is alive. He is alive and is moving His people to War.


9 posted on 08/04/2010 7:19:23 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (They are the vultures of Dark Crystal screeeching their hatred and fear into the void ....)
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To: daniel1212

And don’t forget: While judges are increasingly interested in deciding cases based on concepts of Sharia law, it is UNHEARD OF for a judge to cite the case law, precedents and statutes handed down to us DIRECTLY FROM OUR LAW-GIVING GOD, as recorded in the Holy Scriptures. Unless specifically repealed by Jesus, the Bible’s laws are still in effect and always will be. But again, judges these days NEVER cite the Bible when handing down legal decisions.


10 posted on 08/04/2010 8:33:52 PM PDT by USALiberty
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To: Amos the Prophet

Here is a good source on the issue of “common law” vs. Biblical Law”

http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitutionalism-pt16.php


11 posted on 08/04/2010 8:39:52 PM PDT by USALiberty
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