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To: GonzoII
“We were trained to evangelise Catholics – we believed you are not saved, that you are going to hell as you follow the Pope instead of Jesus, you pray to Mary instead of God, you have tradition instead of Scripture, you thought you got saved by doing good works instead of by faith in Jesus,”

I've been an evangelical since I was eight years old, and I've NEVER been taught these things. I suspect this man is from a more fundamentalist and/or Baptist tradition where certain things are exaggerated.

“we believed you are not saved”

I've always understood that, as in ALL Christian denominations, some are NOT saved, if they don't understand and personally trust in the gospel of Jesus. No less true for Roman Catholics as for the average Presbyterian.

“ that you are going to hell as you follow the Pope instead of Jesus"

True enough...but I've never heard a Protestant claim Catholics followed the Pope INSTEAD of Jesus....so a straw man argument, in my case anyway.

“you pray to Mary instead of God"

Never heard instead of, rather praying to Mary or the Saints IN ADDITION to God...something I never see in the New Testament's detailed instructions to young Christians... (and if you cannot prove something from holy Scipture, please do not try bind my conscience by it...)

“you have tradition instead of Scripture"

Again, NO INSTEAD there, as it is official Roman Catholic dogma (see the Council of Trent) that Tradition has EQUAL weight as holy scripture. Of course when you have two "equal" authorities....one does tend to trump the other, especially the more flexible authority (vs. written authority)...as tradition is, when in the hands of the Church curia....(still never taught tradition is fully "instead of" scripture)

“you thought you got saved by doing good works instead of by faith in Jesus,”

MANY, Many, (many) Christians of all stripes mistakenly think that Good works, plus Gods grace in Jesus = Salvation. The gospel is that Gods grace in Jesus + Salvation = (a life full of) good works.

80 posted on 07/25/2010 9:43:39 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
The gospel is that Gods grace in Jesus + Salvation = (a life full of) good works.

It is? I think you may have mistyped something there. Where does salvation come from, if not from "Gods grace in Jesus"?

The Catholic gospel is God's grace through Jesus -> applied to me -> faith + hope + charity -> salvation.

82 posted on 07/25/2010 9:52:11 AM PDT by Campion
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