“The Second Person of the Trinity already existed. Jesus, however, was born as a little baby. Mary existed before Jesus of Nazareth”
Sorry, my intent wasn’t to mince words by using the name of Jesus to describe His existence prior to His incarnation.
But, by your own admission then Mary is NOT the mother of God (2nd Person of the Trinity) she is the mother of Jesus (the man). Which is my point all along.
Calling or claiming her as the mother of God is either misleading or heresy one or the other. Either way that phrase shouldn’t be used and neither should she be prayed to for reasons I set forth in another post on this thread.
thatjoeguy:
When you say Mary only gave birth to the Man Jesus, when did the “man Jesus” as you state, become God. Did it happen when he was dedicated To God [Luke 2:21-28] when he was a 12 year old in the Temple [Lk 2: 41-50], when he was Baptized in the Jordan River [cf. Lk 3:21-22; MT 3: 13-17], did Christ Become God when the Father came to his aid by sending angels in the Temptations by Satan [cf. Mt 4:1-11], etc.
Mary gave birth to a Divine Person, as Christ is One Person. If as you state, Christ gave birth to only the Human person Jesus, then how to you reconcile his Divinity in the context of Trinitarian orthodoxy. If the Holy Trinity is rightly One God and 3 distinct Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then it was the 2nd Person of the Trinity who was Born of the Blessed Virgin Mary and that person [Christ], was Divine in Sustance and thus what you then say is Christ has both a True Divine Nature and True Human Nature, i.e. Christ is True God and True Man.
What you are stating was condemned by the Council of Ephesus in 431 since it is not consistent with the Trinitarian Doctrine already formulated and it actuall distorts who Christ is.
You wrote:
“But, by your own admission then Mary is NOT the mother of God (2nd Person of the Trinity) she is the mother of Jesus (the man). Which is my point all along.”
Incorrect. Jesus is God. Mary is His mother. Mary is the Mother of God.
“Calling or claiming her as the mother of God is either misleading or heresy one or the other.”
Nope. The heresy is yours - it’s called Nestorianism.
“Either way that phrase shouldn’t be used and neither should she be prayed to for reasons I set forth in another post on this thread.”
Incorrect. That phrase should be used because it is true, Christ is God and His mother is Mary and Mary should be invoked for intercession.