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To: Olog-hai

You wrote:

“Highly noticeable that the RCC omits the text of Exodus 20:4-6 (concurrent with Deuteronomy 5:8-10) from their list of commandments, despite “thou shalt not” appearing twice in there.”

I am always amazed when anti-Catholics say this because it is so ignorant.

1) No commandment has been removed by the Church - nor could one be.

2) The commandments are not numbered in scripture. Different groups number them differently. Most anti-Catholics are too ignorant about history to know that.

3) What most ignorant anti-Catholics (yes, I know that’s redundant) do is mistake the Catechetical Formula used by Catholics and Lutherans for the full telling of the commandments as understood by the Church.

4) Anyone - even an anti-Catholic - could have enough intelligence to go here and see how ignorant they were: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/command.htm

Thus, we see that all three common forms of the Decalogue are in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They were also listed in toto in the last universal Catechism. Anyone can find them - and their full wording - if they wish to avoid being ignornant. Anti-Catholics, however, apparently enjoy being ignorant.


35 posted on 07/25/2010 6:58:08 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

The graven image part of the first commandment is conspicuously missing.

“You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them; “


60 posted on 07/25/2010 8:28:44 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: vladimir998

I am always amazed when anti-Catholics say this because it is so ignorant
Hmm, name-calling; that's one of the first defenses of a bad argument (namely argumentum ad hominem). My purported "ignorance" must be based on my having been raised in a Catholic country and taught by Catholic clergy and laymen in my youth, is that it?

No commandment has been removed by the Church - nor could one be
Why not? In the RCC, the Pope is the authority, not the Bible. The prima scriptura doctrine allows for secondary sources other than the Bible; but one must note that such goes against the injunctions in verses such as Deuteronomy 12:32 and Revelation 22:18-19.

There are also discrepancies in wording; the RCC also substitutes "the Lord's day" for "the sabbath day" when paraphrasing Exodus 20:8 (and frankly, that link to the text of the Catechism that you gave us verifies exactly what I said, as well as when I pointed out that Exodus 20:4-6 are removed from mention, so instead of disproving me, you've actually upheld what I said).

The commandments are not numbered in scripture. Different groups number them differently. Most anti-Catholics are too ignorant about history to know that
The Bible says "ten commandments" in Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13 and 10:4; and the latter two verses are direct quotes from Moses. One can "group" them in only one way (remember, God is not the author of confusion, and to imply otherwise also implies that the words inspired in Scripture are faulty); omissions are a violation of the law per Deuteronomy 12:32, not to mention what Jesus said in Matthew 5:18 and Luke 16:17.

What most ignorant anti-Catholics (yes, I know that’s redundant) do is mistake the Catechetical Formula used by Catholics and Lutherans for the full telling of the commandments as understood by the Church
There's no mistaking what the scripture actually says. Even in older English, it's quite clear and emphatic, and not in parable form.

BTW, you used "ignorant" five times in your reply. Using argumentum ad hominem multiple times in a post doesn't suddenly render validity to the fallacy. BTW: I take it that you're not arguing in favor of Sunday?
209 posted on 07/25/2010 6:48:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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