Poor attempt to justify your ad hominems.
It’s also an accurate labeling of the anti-Catholic. I don’t shy away from accurate labeling
Labeling and accusation of lying. Well, that's between you and God; and as it's written, by their fruits ye shall know them.
I have no reaosn to believe you or your story. I have known too many anti-Catholics to lie
Sounds like you've been shot down too many times to count, especially when your knee-jerk reaction is to call them ignorant and liars. This is getting very reminiscent of James 3:8.
Your supposed upbringing doesn’t guarantee knowledge of the faith. I have known far too many “raised in a Catholic country and taught by Catholic clergy and laymen in my youth” claimants who are in fact ignorant of the faith to assume they possess any detailed knowledge of the faith
There can only be one authority, not multiple ones. There's a reason why one of God's names is "One" (Zechariah 14:9). Jesus condemned tradition (Matthew 15:6, Mark 7:13). And yes, the whole thing about magisterial authority and tradition were questions that made me look in the scriptures, as well as the matter of the sabbath; there's a reason why the seventh day is given special prominence in the first chapter of Genesis, after all, and the Hebrew word translated "forever" (olam) really does mean "forever".
The Church has three sources of teaching authority: the Magisterium is one, the Bible and Tradition are the others. And you claim to have been taught the faith when you were young?
I didn't mention sola scriptura, but anything that is not of God is of men, and that cannot be ignored.
Sola scriptura is an unscriptural sham
Do I have to repeat the omitted text?
No, actually it disproved you. As I explained - and anti-Catholic people have a hard time accepting reality - there are three forms of the commandments in the CCC. No commandment was dropped. You were simply wrong
"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments."Now none of that text appears in what's quoted from the Catechism. And as for reality, that's exactly what appears in the Bible; Jesus said that not one jot nor tittle will pass from the law (Matthew 5:18, from iota and keraia respectively, referring to the Hebrew letter yod and the serifs of those letters).
Ex. 20:4-6, ESV
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.There is but one place that the Greek word ioudaizo (or "judaizo") appears in the Greek text (Galatians 2:14), and that refers to Jewish tradition that is outside of scripture (which Jesus condemned in Matthew 15:6 and Mark 7:13, once more); this is why Paul mentioned that the apostles were "not walk(ing) uprightly according to the truth of the gospel" (and gospel comes from the Hebrew word basorah in Isaiah 61:1, translated into Greek evangelizesthai, a tense of evangelion or "gospel", in Luke 4:12).
Notwithstanding, the Bible does indeed call them "ten commandments" and tells us to not omit a single word, which means that you should include the phrase "who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage" in the first commandment.
Where in scripture does it tell you, “And this is the Fourth Commandment...” It never happens that way in scripture. Never. We are never told any numbering system at all. Ever
Neither of those verses mention worship or resting from labor. The apostles preached on all days of the week, but went into the temple and synagogues especially on the seventh day, just as Jesus did. As for the "collection for the saints", refer to Romans 15:25-28, which explains what that was about (and if you think that I'm trying to be deceptive, note Isaiah 28:10, and even more so the timeline of those letters of Paul).
Even in the time of Acts Christians were worshiping on Sundays as well as Saturdays: Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
Any Catholic would know what I was talking about. My mother, one of the most ardent (and conservative!) Catholics I know, taught me about parables and the form they took. None of the Commandments are parables; they're straightforward.
Parable form? What on earth is that?
The Masoretic text does not date from the nineteenth century, nor does the Majority Greek text. (And frankly, the King James Bible was finalized in the very early 17th Century.)
Scripture, tradition and the Magisterium all do. You, on the other hand, only have illegitimate 19th century SDA flavored sectarian proof texting
“The Catholic church, for over 1,000 years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday…You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day we never sanctify.”
You wrote:
“Poor attempt to justify your ad hominems.”
I made no attempt to justify. I see nothing wrong with what I said. What I said is true. It needs no justification.
“Labeling and accusation of lying. Well, that’s between you and God; and as it’s written, by their fruits ye shall know them.”
And that’s why we know anti-Catholics almost routinely lie. It happens so often online that it is shocking.
“Sounds like you’ve been shot down too many times to count, especially when your knee-jerk reaction is to call them ignorant and liars. This is getting very reminiscent of James 3:8.”
Anti-Catholics are almost always ignorant. I can’t deny the truth of that fact. Many anti-Catholics are also dishonest. I can’t deny the truth of that fact either. It is not knee-jerk of me to know or admit what is true.
“There can only be one authority, not multiple ones.”
God is the only ultimate source. He teaches US through His written word, His tradition passed to the Apostles and the Magisterium. Thus, you are correct when you say there can only be one (ultimate) source, but you are mistaken if you believe the product source is greater than God.
“There’s a reason why one of God’s names is “One” (Zechariah 14:9).”
Even you there are admitting what I said while denying what you yourself just said. What is your source of authority? Is it God or scripture? That is a question based on a false premise since scripture comes from God. And that is essentially what you tried to pose to me before contradicting yourself.
“Jesus condemned tradition (Matthew 15:6, Mark 7:13).”
Nope. Jesus never once condemned tradition. He condemned tradition that nullified the word of God. So do we condemn it. None of our sacred traditions nullify the word of God nor could they.
“And yes, the whole thing about magisterial authority and tradition were questions that made me look in the scriptures, as well as the matter of the sabbath; there’s a reason why the seventh day is given special prominence in the first chapter of Genesis, after all, and the Hebrew word translated “forever” (olam) really does mean “forever”.”
And yet the old law is not binding on Christians as it was on Jews. We live under grace and not the old law.
“I didn’t mention sola scriptura, but anything that is not of God is of men, and that cannot be ignored.”
Sola scriptura is of men.
“Do I have to repeat the omitted text?”
There was no omitted text. The link I directed you to showed the full text of the commandments just as they appear in scripture (twice no less).
“Now none of that text appears in what’s quoted from the Catechism.”
False. As I already posted here, the full text of the commandments are in the CCC. Here, let me help you since you seem to be struggling with read the computer screen in front of you. This is what it says at the link I posted for you:
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.
Thus, what you said was omitted is in fact in the Catechism, in the list of commandments and to has now been posted here for you. To keep saying that the text has been deleted from the commandments would be a lie.
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
“And as for reality, that’s exactly what appears in the Bible; Jesus said that not one jot nor tittle will pass from the law (Matthew 5:18, from iota and keraia respectively, referring to the Hebrew letter yod and the serifs of those letters).”
Yes, Jesus did say that. He also told Peter that the old law was passed. Acts 10.
“Furthermore, the Synod of Laodicea explicitly makes a difference between the sabbath day and the “Lord’s day” (which is not the same “Lord’s day” as mentioned in Revelation 1:10; that’s the “Day of the LORD” mentioned in Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah and the minor prophets); this is their decree from Canon 29 of that council.”
What the council said is this: “Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lordís day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]). Clearly early Christians knew that the Lord’s day was no longer the Jewish Sabbath. I have no problem with that and apparently neither did St. Paul or St. Luke.
“There is but one place that the Greek word ioudaizo (or “judaizo”) appears in the Greek text (Galatians 2:14),”
Actually it appears once in the Septuagint too.
“and that refers to Jewish tradition that is outside of scripture”
No. Both times it is used to mean practicing those things that separated Jews from others, i.e. the Mosaic laws about diet, circumcision, etc. This is the sort of thing referred to in Acts 15:1.
“(which Jesus condemned in Matthew 15:6 and Mark 7:13, once more); this is why Paul mentioned that the apostles were “not walk(ing) uprightly according to the truth of the gospel” (and gospel comes from the Hebrew word basorah in Isaiah 61:1, translated into Greek evangelizesthai, a tense of evangelion or “gospel”, in Luke 4:12).”
Judaizing was at odds with the gospel. It still is.
“Notwithstanding, the Bible does indeed call them “ten commandments” and tells us to not omit a single word, which means that you should include the phrase “who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage” in the first commandment.”
It’s there. Twice on that page I linked to.
“Neither of those verses mention worship or resting from labor.”
Incorrect. Acts 20:7 and 20:11 references the breaking of bread – a reference to the Eucharist. This became common enough that by the time Revelation was written it was called the Lord’s day (Rev. 1:10).
“The apostles preached on all days of the week, but went into the temple and synagogues especially on the seventh day, just as Jesus did. As for the “collection for the saints”, refer to Romans 15:25-28, which explains what that was about (and if you think that I’m trying to be deceptive, note Isaiah 28:10, and even more so the timeline of those letters of Paul).”
Even to this day collections are taken for the saints at Sunday Mass.
“Any Catholic would know what I was talking about. “
False. I’m Catholic and I had no idea what you were saying when you used “Parable form” in reference to the Ten Commandments. You had written, “There’s no mistaking what the scripture actually says. Even in older English, it’s quite clear and emphatic, and not in parable form.” Your comment seemed to make no sense.
“My mother, one of the most ardent (and conservative!) Catholics I know, taught me about parables and the form they took. None of the Commandments are parables; they’re straightforward.”
Yes, they are.
“The Masoretic text does not date from the nineteenth century, nor does the Majority Greek text. (And frankly, the King James Bible was finalized in the very early 17th Century.)”
False. The KJV text was finalized in 1769. Many ignorant Protestants believe they are reading a text identical to the 1611 KJV text when in reality they are reading one standardized only in 1769. Also, your arguments for the Sabbath are not scriptural, but 19th century SDA arguments which used scripture. Just as I predicted.
“Anyhow, I’ll leave you with a quote from Cardian Gibbons from 1893, which is a remarkable confession:“The Catholic church, for over 1,000 years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday…You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day we never sanctify.””
It is not a remarkable confession at all. God invested the Church with teaching authority. The Church exercised it.