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To: daniel1212

That’s but one problem with the RC church. False doctrines are introduced over the years, and these heresies need to be subsequently validated.

Scripture is clear: The Last Supper was Jesus’ way of communicating who He is in light of the Passover. His flesh and blood are not literally present. That’s just Middle Age stupidity.


225 posted on 07/25/2010 8:18:59 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Theo
The Last Supper was Jesus’ way of communicating who He is in light of the Passover.

Would you mind enlarging on this Theo? I'm interested in that connection.

227 posted on 07/25/2010 8:58:05 PM PDT by caww
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Wow, theo! A lot of us have jumped on you, and I hate that.

But Middle Age stupidity? I am beyond Middle Age myself and even stupider. But in my stupidity I know enough about the Middle Ages to KNOW that the popular notion that they were full of superstition and ignorance is just flat wrong.

Just for instance, Catholics and others didn't get into burning witches until AFTER the Middle Ages! It was in the Middle Ages that some guy wrote that if someone comes presenting as if he has a demon, first get a good medical exam for him before you consider exorcism. (I can't source that anymore. It's something I read in the early '70s -- when I was a Protestant, BTW --and, as I said, I am beyond middle aged stupidity now.)

The popular history, the one we learn in 4th and 5th grades usually has the Spanish coming to America for glory God and gold, and focusses on enslavement of indigenous peoples and forced conversions. It almost entirely neglects the Dominicans and others who risked their own safety in opposing the Spanish here in this hemisphere and who travelled back and forth to Spain to argue before the King that indigenous peoples had "natural" personal and national rights even if they were not Christians. Yeah, the 16th century is hardly "Middle Ages", but it's close enough.

In the 13th Century, Albert the Great (1207-1280) was arguing that you rally can't do Natural Science without basing it on careful and rigorous observation. YEAH he believed in Alchemy, because he was early in the development of theoretical science, but he got the basic Baconian idea down long before Bacon.

Benedictines were practicing really good agriculture, draining swampy land, managing water flow, using breeding programs with their livestock, etc.

When you think about it, most of our early History instruction is about Greece, Rome, maybe a little about Vikings, and then zip to Columbus and the Reformation. This is not a complaint, just an observation, most of US culture is BASED on anti-Catholicism. If we learn Latin in school, it's 'classical' with 'classical' pronunciation. We just don't learn about the ebb and flow of tribes, peoples, and cultures around the Mediterranean from, say, 100 AD to 1492. We know Ferdinand and Isabella bankrolled Columbus and drove out the Jews, but we don't know the tumultuous politics of the region -- that's all it was until F + I -- of Spain, the threat of Islam and all the rest.

This may not be intentional, but it leaves us REALLY ignorant of the Middle Ages, the period when the very idea of the University was first brought to birth!

So, PLEASE do not diss the Middle Ages too easily. It's quite amazing how much they accomplished in the midst of all the fighting going on around them.

246 posted on 07/26/2010 5:37:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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