Radio Replies Second Volume - Protestant Bibles

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Protestant Bibles

457. Is there any difference between a Roman Catholic Bible, and a Protestant Bible?

Yes. The Protestant Bible omits several Books of the Old Testament which are contained in the Catholic Bible. It omits the Books of Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, the two Books of Machabees, and various sections of other Books. Moreover, in those sections of the Bible which the Protestant Version has retained, there are many mistranslations.

458. Has the Protestant Bible undergone any alterations since the Reformation period?

Yes. As soon as Henry VIII broke away from the Catholic Church in 1534 and established the Church of England under his own supremacy, Cranmer ordered an English translation to be made. The Bible had been translated into English long before this, but he wanted his own special translation. In 1539 the resultant Protestant translation was published, and called the "Great Bible." In the same year also there was published a Version by Richard Taverner. In 1560 another English translation was published at Geneva, to be known as the "Geneva Bible." As these translations revealed many errors, in 1568 a revised edition was published and called the "Bishops' Bible." This Bible was reprinted in 1572 with many corrections and amendments, and called "Matthew Parker's Bible." In 1611 the "King James' Bible," or what is usually called the "Authorized Version" was published; but even this Version was corrected in 1683, 1769, and 1806. Critics, however, pointed out many errors still in the "Authorized Version," and in 1885 a "Revised Version" was completed which contains over 35,000 alterations from the "Authorized Version."

459. You say that Protestants have omitted several Old Testament Books. From what Old Testament is the Catholic Canon taken?

The Books of the Old Testament contained in the Catholic Canon are those contained in the Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Bible — a translation made at Alexandria, in Egypt, by the Jews residing there. This translation was made during the three centuries before the birth of Christ. The Jews, even of Palestine, accepted the Septuagint Canon, or list of Books, and our Lord Himself used it in conversing with them. The Jews began to deny its authenticity only about a century after Christ because they could not resist the arguments drawn from it and used against them by the Christians. They therefore said that it was a bad translation; that it did not agree with the Hebrew text; and they rejected it. But the use the Jews themselves had made of it for nearly four hundred years rendered their rejection of it too late. And their motives, of course, are evident. Their interest was not critical, but polemical.

460. From what Old Testament is the Protestant Canon taken?

When the Protestant reformers abandoned the Catholic Church, they adopted the same policy as the Jews had adopted against the early Christians, and tried to cast doubt upon the Catholic Versions of Scripture. They too, therefore, rejected the Septuagint Canon, and accepted the current Hebrew copies of the Old Testament Books. The Hebrew manuscripts omitted several of the Books contained in the Septuagint, and the Protestants therefore followed suit.

461. Which Bible did Christ and the Apostles treat as the standard version?

Christ and the Apostles used both the Hebrew Palestinian Canon and the Greek Septuagint Canon. Both were familiar to, and were accepted at that time by the Jews.

462. From which Old Testament did the New Testament writers most quote when writing their Books?

They quoted most often from the Greek Septuagint. In fact, of some 350 quotations, nearly 300 are taken from the Septuagint. In his "Introduction to the Sacred Scriptures," Thomas Hartwell Horne, a Protestant writer, says that the New Testament writers had to quote from the Greek Septuagint because many for whom they wrote were ignorant of Hebrew, whereas the Greek Version was generally known and read. If the Septuagint was erroneous, and its Canon false, then far from quoting from it, the Apostles should have denounced it, and warned Christians not to use it, but to use exclusively the Palestinian Canon. The Apostles did not do so. They sanctioned the use of the Canon accepted by the Catholic Church and rejected by the Protestant reformers.

463. Do Catholics say that the Protestant Bible, whether "Authorised" or "Revised," is not a true translation of the originals, and are of no value?

We do not say that they are of no value. And it is certain that, on the whole, they are correct translations. But both Versions omit complete Books from the Old Testament, and both are very imperfect translations, on the admissions of scholars amongst Protestants themselves. The Rev. Frank Ballard, in his book "Which Bible to Read" urges Protestants to use the "Revised Version," and not the "Authorized Version." On page 23 of his book he says that an honest answer admits the imperfections of the "Authorized Version" on the following points — (1) It is based on a faulty text; (2) Words are given wrong meanings; (3) Archaic expressions obscure the sense; (4) Grammatical errors abound; (5) The sacred writers are misrepresented. He rightly says therefore that the "Revised Version" is a great improvement; but Protestant scholars agree that a further revision will have to be made. And it is to be noted that the various corrections of the Protestant Version have been in the direction of closer harmony with the Catholic Douay Version.

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[Alex Murphy]

Is there any difference between a Roman Catholic Bible, and a Protestant Bible?

Yes - ours get read.

[johngrace]

Thursday, July 01, 2010
Blessed Junipero Serra, OFM, Priest (Optional Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Amos 7:10-17
Psalm 19:8-11
Matthew 9:1-8
Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.

— Psalm xcviii. 1

Friday, July 02, 2010
Votive Mass of the Precious Blood
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Amos 8:4-6, 9-12
Psalm 119:2, 10, 20, 30, 40, 131
Matthew 9:9-13
Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother and his mother’s sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.

— John xix. 25-27

Saturday, July 03, 2010
St. Thomas, Apostle (Feast)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Ephesians 2:19-22
Psalm 117:1-2
John 20:24-29
Have mercy on me, O Lord, for I am afflicted. My lots are in thy hands. Deliver me out of the hands of my enemies; and from them that persecute me. Let me not be confounded, O Lord, for I have called upon thee.

— Psalm xxx. 10, 16, 18

Sunday, July 04, 2010
Fourteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
First Reading:
Psalm:
Second Reading:
Gospel:
Isaiah 66:10-14
Psalm 66:1-7, 16, 20
Galatians 6:14-18
Luke 10:1-12, 17-20
And the multitudes that went before and that followed cried, saying: Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

— Matthew xxi. 9

Monday, July 05, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Hosea 2:16-18, 21-22
Psalm 145:2-9
Matthew 9:18-26
Judge thou, O Lord, them that wrong me: overthrow them that fight against me. Take hold of arms and shield: and rise up to help me.

— Psalm xxxiv. 1,2

Tuesday, July 06, 2010
St. Maria Goretti, Virgin, Martyr (Optional Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Hosea 8:4-7, 11-13
Psalm 115:3-10
Matthew 9:32-38
But as for me, when they were troublesome to me, I was clothed with haircloth. I humbled my soul with fasting; and my prayer shall be turned into my bosom.

— Psalm xxxiv. 13

Wednesday, July 07, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Hosea 10:1-3, 7-8, 12
Psalm 105:2-7
Matthew 10:1-7
Hear, O Lord, my prayer: and let my cry come to thee.

— Psalm cii. 2

Thursday, July 08, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Hosea 11:1-4, 8-9
Psalm 80:2-3, 15-16
Matthew 10:7-15
May God have mercy on us, and bless us: may he cause the light of his countenance to shine upon us, and may he have mercy on us.

— Psalm lxvi. 2

Friday, July 09, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Hosea 14:2-10
Psalm 51:3-4, 8-9. 12-14, 17
Matthew 10:16-23
Ecce lignum Crucis in quo salus mundi pepéndit. (Behold the wood of the Cross, on which hung the Saviour of the world.)

— The Adoration of the Cross

Saturday, July 10, 2010
St. Veronica Giuliani, Virgin (Feast)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
2 Corinthians 4:6-11, 16, 17
Psalm 59:2, 10, 17-18
Matthew 16:24-27
Let us sing to the Lord: for he is gloriously magnified, the horse and the rider he hath thrown into the sea. The Lord is my strength and my praise, and he is become salvation to me: he is my God, and I will glorify him: the God of my father, and I will exalt him.

— Exodus xv. 1,2

Sunday, July 11, 2010
Fifteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
First Reading:
Psalm:
Second Reading:
Gospel:
Deuteronomy 30:10-14
Psalm 69:14, 17, 30-31, 33-34, 36-37 or Psalm 19:8-11
Colossians 1:15-20
Luke 10:25-37
Forth to the Paschal Victim, Christians, bring

— Victimae paschali laudes

Monday, July 12, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Isaiah 1:10-17
Psalm 50:8-9, 16-17, 21, 23
Matthew 10:34 — 11:1
The Lord shall have brought thee into a land that floweth with milk and honey, ...that the law of the Lord be always in thy mouth.

— Exodus xiii. 5, 9

Tuesday, July 13, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Isaiah 7:1-9
Psalm 48:2-8
Matthew 11:20-24
Give glory to the Lord, and call upon his name: declare his deeds among the Gentiles.

— Psalm civ. 1

Wednesday, July 14, 2010
Blessed Kateri Tekakwitha, Virgin (Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Isaiah 10:5-7, 13-16
Psalm 94:5-10, 14-15
Matthew 11:25-27
Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

— Matthew xxv. 34

Thursday, July 15, 2010
St. Bonaventure, Bishop, Doctor of the Church (Feast)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Wisdom 8:2-7, 16-18 or 1 Corinthians 2:6-13
Psalm 16:5-9, 11
Matthew 5:13-19
And they sung to thy holy name, O Lord, and they praised with one accord thy victorious hand. For wisdom opened the mouth of the dumb, and made the tongues of infants eloquent.

— Wisdom x. 20-21

Friday, July 16, 2010
Our Lady of Mount Carmel (Optional Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Isaiah 38:1-6, 21-22, 7-8
Isaiah 38:10-12, 16
Matthew 12:1-8
And he brought them out in hope and they feared not: and the sea overwhelmed their enemies.

— Psalm lxxvii. 53

Saturday, July 17, 2010
Saturday Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Micah 2:1-5
Psalm 10:1-4, 7-8, 14
Matthew 12:14-21
And he brought forth his people with joy, and his chosen with gladness.

— Psalm civ. 43

Sunday, July 18, 2010
Sixteenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
First Reading:
Psalm:
Second Reading:
Gospel:
Genesis 18:1-10
Psalm 15:2-5
Colossians 1:24-28
Luke 10:38-42
Rejoice to God our helper: sing aloud to the God of Jacob.

— Psalm lxxx. 2

Monday, July 19, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Micah 6:1-4, 6-8
Psalm 50:5-6, 8-9, 16-17, 21, 23
Matthew 12:38-42
If you have done nothing, or if what you have done has been fruitless because it was done for a human motive, begin immediately to do good works so that at death you will be able to offer something to Jesus Christ in order that He may give you eternal life.

— St John Vianney

Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Micah 7:14-15, 18-20
Psalm 85:2-8
Matthew 12:46-50
No one should judge that he has greater perfection because he performs great penances and gives himself in excess to the staying of the body than he who does less, inasmuch as neither virtue or merit consists therein; for otherwise he would be an evil case, who for some legitimate reason was unable to do actual penance. Merit consists in the virtue of love alone, flavored with the light of true discretion, without which the soul is worth nothing.

— St Catherine of Siena

Wednesday, July 21, 2010
St. Lawrence of Brindisi, Priest, Doctor of the Church (Feast)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Wisdom 8:9-16 or 2 Corinthians 5:14-21
Psalm 67:2-5, 7-8
Luke 9:1-6
If I were worthy of such a favor from my God, I would ask that he grant me this one miracle: that by His grace He would make of me a good man.

— St Ansgar

Thursday, July 22, 2010
St. Mary Magdalen (Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 2:1-3, 7-8, 12-13
Psalm 36:6-11
John 20:1-2, 11-18
The spirit flows to you and to all men from the heart of the God-man, Savior of the world, but certainly, no worker was ever more completely and profoundly penetrated by it than the foster father of Jesus, who lived with Him in closest intimacy and community of family life and work. Thus, if you wish to be close to Christ, we again today repeat, “Go to Joseph” (Gn 41:44)

— Pope Pius XII

Friday, July 23, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 3:14-17
Jeremiah 31:10-13
Matthew 13:18-23
[God] gave Himself to us through His Spirit. By the participation of the Spirit, we become communicants in the divine nature.... For this reason, those in whom the Spirit dwells are divinized.

— St. Athanasius, Epistulae ad Serapionem

Saturday, July 24, 2010
Saturday Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 7:1-11
Psalm 84:3-6, 8, 11
Matthew 13:24-30
Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God: believe also in me. In my Father’s house there are many mansions.

— John xiv. 1

Sunday, July 25, 2010
Seventeenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
First Reading:
Psalm:
Second Reading:
Gospel:
Genesis 18:20-32
Psalm 138:1-3, 6-8
Colossians 2:12-14
Luke 11:1-13
Shout with joy to God, all the earth, sing ye a psalm to His name; give glory to His praise.

— Ps. lxv. 1-2

Monday, July 26, 2010
Saints Joachim and Anne, Parents of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Sirach 44:1, 10-15
Psalm 132:11, 13-14, 17-18
Matthew 13:16-17
By the effective exercise of only one virtue, a person may attain to the height of all the rest.

— St. Gregory Nazianzen

Tuesday, July 27, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 14:17-22
Psalm 79:8-9, 11, 13
Matthew 13:36-43
Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence.

— St. Francis de Sales

Wednesday, July 28, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 15:10, 16-21
Psalm 59:2-4, 10-11, 17-18
Matthew 13:44-46
Hence, I tearfully beg you to refrain from seeking the favors of the world and to renounce all that is carnal. It is impossible to follow both the world and Jesus. Let us live a life of renunciation, for our bodies will soon be dust and nothing else will last any longer.

— St. Jerome

Thursday, July 29, 2010
St. Martha (Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 18:1-6
Psalm 146:1-6
St. John 11:19-27 or St. Luke 10:38-42
Hence, I tearfully beg you to refrain from seeking the favors of the world and to renounce all that is carnal. It is impossible to follow both the world and Jesus. Let us live a life of renunciation, for our bodies will soon be dust and nothing else will last any longer.

— St. Jerome

Friday, July 30, 2010
Weekday
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 26:1-9
Psalm 69:5, 8-10, 14
Matthew 13:54-58
God’s mercy is like an unleashed torrent; it bears away all hearts in its flood.

— St. John Vianney

Saturday, July 31, 2010
St. Ignatius of Loyola, Priest (Memorial)
First Reading:
Psalm:
Gospel:
Jeremiah 26:11-16, 24
Psalm 69:15-16, 30-31, 33-34
Matthew 14:1-12
O God, who avengest me, and subduest the people under me, my deliverer from my enraged enemies. And thou wilt lift me up above them that rise up against me: from the unjust man thou wilt deliver me.

— Psalm xviil 48,49

[johngrace]

YES Everyday We read. Here's Todays reading JULY 23 2010:

Reading 1

Jer 3:14-17

Return, rebellious children, says the LORD, for I am your Master;

I will take you, one from a city, two from a clan, and bring you to Zion.

I will appoint over you shepherds after my own heart, who will shepherd you wisely and prudently.

When you multiply and become fruitful in the land, says the LORD,

They will in those days no longer say, "The ark of the covenant of the LORD!"

They will no longer think of it, or remember it, or miss it, or make another.

At that time they will call Jerusalem the LORD's throne; there all nations will be gathered together

to honor the name of the LORD at Jerusalem, and they will walk no longer in their hardhearted wickedness.

Jeremiah 31:10, 11-12abcd, 13

Responsorial Psalm

R. (see 10d) The Lord will guard us as a shepherd guards his flock.

Hear the word of the LORD, O nations, proclaim it on distant isles, and say: He who scattered Israel, now gathers them together, he guards them as a shepherd his flock. R. The Lord will guard us as a shepherd guards his flock.

The LORD shall ransom Jacob, he shall redeem him from the hand of his conqueror. Shouting, they shall mount the heights of Zion,

they shall come streaming to the LORD's blessings: The grain, the wine, and the oil, the sheep and the oxen. R. The Lord will guard us as a shepherd guards his flock.

Then the virgins shall make merry and dance, and young men and old as well. I will turn their mourning into joy,

I will console and gladden them after their sorrows. R. The Lord will guard us as a shepherd guards his flock.

Mt 13:18-23

Gospel

Jesus said to his disciples: "Hear the parable of the sower.

The seed sown on the path is the one who hears the word of the Kingdom without understanding it,

and the Evil One comes and steals away what was sown in his heart.

The seed sown on rocky ground is the one who hears the word and receives it at once with joy. But he has no root and lasts only for a time.

When some tribulation or persecution comes because of the word, he immediately falls away.

The seed sown among thorns is the one who hears the word, but then worldly anxiety and the lure of riches choke the word and it bears no fruit.

But the seed sown on rich soil is the one who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and yields a hundred or sixty or thirtyfold."

[GAB-1955]

Long answer, and not to the point.

Why don’t the Orthodox accept the deuterocanonical books as fully canonical? As I said and they say, they are worthy of reading, but not inspired Scripture on the level of the 66 books we KNOW are God-breathed.

Luther was persuaded that the Book of James was canonical; Calvin always accepted James as canonical. The Protestant movement was not based on Luther alone.

I wish you God’s blessings, but I said I won’t play the game.

[GAB-1955]

Long answer, and not to the point.

Why don’t the Orthodox accept the deuterocanonical books as fully canonical? As I said and they say, they are worthy of reading, but not inspired Scripture on the level of the 66 books we KNOW are God-breathed.

Luther was persuaded that the Book of James was canonical; Calvin always accepted James as canonical. The Protestant movement was not based on Luther alone.

I wish you God’s blessings, but I said I won’t play the game.

[Alex Murphy]

"By doing nothing to practice his faith except attending Sunday weekly Mass (and the few Holy Days), in two years' time (after which the reading cycle ends), a Mass-attending Catholic will hear 3.7% of the Old Testament (932 verses), and in three years' time (after which the reading cycle ends) a Mass-attending Catholic will hear 40.8% of the New Testament (3247 verses). That all adds up to a total of 4179 out of 33001 verses mentioned in the chart, i.e. only 12.7% of the entire Bible (excluding Psalms) is heard by a weekly-Mass-attending Catholic....your own liturgy has been throwing out a majority of the inspired text from the Mass for nearly two millennia!
-- Alex Murphy, November 1, 2009
on the thread Lectionary Statistics - How much of the Bible is included in the Lectionary for Mass? (Popquiz!)

A Literate Church: The state of Catholic Bible study today [article from America: The National Catholic Weekly]:

....while fewer believers know much about the Bible, one-third of Americans continue to believe that it is literally true, something organizers of the Synod on the Word of God called a dangerous form of fundamentalism that is “winning more and more adherents…even among Catholics.” Such literalism, the synod’s preparatory document said, “demands an unshakable adherence to rigid doctrinal points of view and imposes, as the only source of teaching for Christian life and salvation, a reading of the Bible which rejects all questioning and any kind of critical research”....
....The flip side of this embarrassment is the presumption among many Catholics that they “get” the Bible at Mass, along with everything else they need for their spiritual lives. The postconciliar revolution in liturgy greatly expanded the readings, with a three-year cycle in the vernacular that for the first time included Old Testament passages. Given that exposure, many think they do not need anything else. As Mr. McMahon put it, “The majority still say you go to Mass, you get your ticket punched, and that’s it for the week.”

Get Cracking, Catholics! [article at the National Catholic Register]
A formative, family-friendly factoid from a recent study or survey in the news.
November 19-25, 2006 Issue

According to a study released in September by Baylor University’s Institute for Studies of Religion, evangelical Protestants are a whopping eight times more likely than Catholics to read the Bible on a weekly basis. Of course, the survey only looked at private Bible reading; it did not take into account the Scripture passages Catholics take in at every Mass. Still, we tip our hats to our separated brothers and sisters in Christ for their zeal for the Word of God.

Synod to Focus on Proper Use of Scripture [article from Catholic World News]
The Church should combat widespread "Biblical illiteracy" among the Catholic faithful, Archbishop Eterovic said

Synod: Christianity not a 'Religion of the Book' [article from National Catholic Reporter]
Yesterday saw...a forceful plea from a key papal advisor [Bishop Salvatore Fisichella, the rector of the Lateran University and President of the Pontifical Academy for Life] to reject the idea of Christianity as a “Religion of the Book.”

Cardinal Says Scripture Inseparably United to Tradition
"As we begin the work of this synodal assembly, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, let us turn our gaze to Christ, the light of the world and our only teacher," Cardinal Levada encouraged. The prelate's point was further developed when Cardinal Marc Ouellet, archbishop of Quebec, took the floor to affirm that the Word is much more than the Bible. He clarified that Christianity is not a religion of the Book.

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Calvin's preaching was of one kind from beginning to end: he preached steadily through book after book of the Bible. He never wavered from this approach to preaching for almost twenty-five years of ministry in St. Peter's church of Geneva - with the exception of a few high festivals and special occasions. "On Sunday he took always the New Testament, except for a few Psalms on Sunday afternoons. During the week . . . it was always the Old Testament". The records show fewer than half a dozen exceptions for the sake of the Christian year. He almost entirely ignored Christmas and Easter in the selection of his text.

To give you some idea of the scope of the Calvin's pulpit, he began his series on the book of Acts on August 25, 1549, and ended it in March of 1554. After Acts he went on to the epistles to the Thessalonians (46 sermons), Corinthians (186 sermons), pastorals (86 sermons), Galatians (43 sermons), Ephesians (48 sermons) - till May 1558. Then there is a gap when he is ill. In the spring of 1559 he began the Harmony of the Gospels and was not finished when he died in May, 1564. During the week of that season he preached 159 sermons on Job, 200 on Deuteronomy, 353 on Isaiah, 123 on Genesis and so on.

One of the clearest illustrations that this was a self-conscious choice on Calvin's part was the fact that on Easter Day, 1538, after preaching, he left the pulpit of St. Peter's, banished by the City Council. He returned in September, 1541 - over three years later - and picked up the exposition in the next verse.

-- excerpted from John Piper's The Divine Majesty Of The Word

[johngrace]

"Is there any difference between a Roman Catholic Bible, and a Protestant Bible? Yes - ours get read. "

Original statement.

We can watch the word everyday on the internet daily Mass or tv daily mass. Read also everyday. Calvin's died. He can't read today. Your question is the present moment. I left the catholic church. And came back. We cover more than any other church. We declare Christ in the flesh every sunday. Thats the spirit of God. 1John4! I went to dozens of indie churches.Never have I seen a independent Church declare the Nicene creed like the Catholic church. I declare it in private devotionals too.

Also I do not try to define myself with what I do not like. You do which is sad. You profess too much.

[Alex Murphy]

I do not try to define myself with what I do not like. You do which is sad. You profess too much.

Funny - your profile page only says you are a pro-life catholic teamster. It doesn't mention anything about you being an amateur mindreader.

[Salvation]

Want some popcorn?

[Salvation]

I’m not sure you realize that you can see the news threads without seeing the Religion Forum threads. I’m asking the Religion Moderator to help you.

[Salvation]

And the Catholic Bible is complete. The Protestant Bible isn’t.

And BTW, Catholics do read Bibles too. — Hey that sounds like a good title to a song!

[Salvation]

**but not inspired Scripture **

In whose judgment? Yours??

[Salvation]

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Where Is That Taught in the Bible?
Friday Fast Fact: The Bible in English
Bible Reading is Central in Conversions to Catholicism in Shangai, Reports Organization
Verses (in Scripture) I Never Saw
5 Myths about 7 Books

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Pope calls Catholics to daily meditation on the Bible
What Are the "Apocrypha?"
The Accuracy of Scripture
US Conference of Catholic Bishops recommendations for Bible study
CNA unveils resource to help Catholics understand the Scriptures
The Dos and Don’ts of Reading the Bible [Ecumenical]
Pope to lead marathon Bible reading on Italian TV
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Books of the Catholic Bible: The Complete Scriptures [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: When Was The Bible Written? [Ecumenical]
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
U.S. among most Bible-literate nations: poll
Bible Lovers Not Defined by Denomination, Politics
Dei Verbum (Catholics and the Bible)
Vatican Offers Rich Online Source of Bible Commentary
Clergy Congregation Takes Bible Online
Knowing Mary Through the Bible: Mary's Last Words
A Bible Teaser For You... (for everyone :-)
Knowing Mary Through the Bible: New Wine, New Eve

Return of Devil's Bible to Prague draws crowds
Doctrinal Concordance of the Bible [What Catholics Believe from the Bible] Catholic Caucus
Should We Take the Bible Literally or Figuratively?
Glimpsing Words, Practices, or Beliefs Unique to Catholicism [Bible Trivia]
Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?
Church and the Bible(Caatholic Caucus)
Pope Urges Prayerful Reading of Bible
Catholic Caucus: It's the Church's Bible
How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
The Church or the Bible

[Religion Moderator]

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see Religion Forum posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

[massmike]

Got some already,thanks....

[bobjam]

1) The verse from Revelation 22:18 refers only to Revelation.

2) Yes, Martin Luther struggled with parts of the Bible. That’s normal. He’s human and no Protestant has ever made him out to be anything more. It’s not like they claim he’s infallible. I’m sure there are many, many Catholic and Orthodox saints who have struggled with parts of the Bible.

[johngrace]

Good point!

But if you read it. For 2 hundred years The Lutherans kept Revelation and other books out. Just making historical point. I left the Catholic church because of the lies that Luther started every where you went in the Independent Churches painted lies and half truths of the Catholic Church.

Every Church has Bad guys thru history. The ones I heard where way overboard. I got to Mass now and Its beautiful and spiritual. The lie that Luther called the Pope the Antichrist was a lie. We declare the Nicene creed and apostles creed(John requirement which defines the proper spirit) at Sunday mass and private devotions. Never did any Indie church say the Nicene Creed. A positive confession. I mean never. Which shows the many reasons the mass is totally biblical.

[johngrace]

I meant 1JOHN4 requirement.

[bobjam]

Keep in mind that the Roman Catholic Church of today is very different than the early 16th century Western Church. If the church then were like it is now, there probably wouldn’t have been a Reformation.

In regards to Revelation, I’ve never heard of attempts to remove it from the Canon. I do know that the Anglican, Lutheran and Roman lectionaries call for very few Sunday readings from it. Most priests I’ve met prefer to avoid preaching sermons about the end times.

[MSU]

The question of the difference between the “Catholic” and the “Orthodox” bibles is fairly complex. To simplify:
1. The early Church generally accepted the existing Greek translations, done previously as valid.
2. Early translations of the Greek into Latin were done.
3. When Jerome did his works, culminating in the Latin Vulgate, he referenced the Greek Septuagint texts and the existing Latin translations to existing Hebrew translations. Jerome came to the opinion that the Hebrew texts better testified to Christ than the Greek and, parting from tradition, favored them in his translations.
4. Jerome was criticized for this at the time (e.g. by Augustine) but over time his translations replaced the older Latin ones as that accepted by the Western Church. The Eastern Church continued to accept the Greek translations. Since Latin never became their main scholarly language, they were largely removed from the question of acceptance of the Latin Vulgate.
5. Today in the West, most critical translations of the Old Testament start with the Masoretic text, which is generally viewed as more ancient. However, the Greek Septuagint and other texts are consulted to resolve questions.
6. The Orthodox Church still considers the Greek Septuagint to be its “benchmark”, as I mentioned before, and prefers to use it as a starting point when developing new translations.

I hope this helped.