Until the church adopts a zero-tolerance policy, justice cannot be served
EXACTLY
1 posted on
07/21/2010 10:57:31 AM PDT by
TSgt
To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; metmom; Alex Murphy
More smoke and mirrors ping!
2 posted on
07/21/2010 10:58:22 AM PDT by
TSgt
(We will always be prepared, so we may always be free. - Ronald Reagan)
To: TSgt
Please.
This pathetic argument against the Church only works on minds dim enough to imagine that the standard of policing is identical across the world.
I'd hate to be falsely accused of any crime, but in America I would likely get an impartial investigation.
China, Lebanon, Uganda, Venezuela, well . . .
3 posted on
07/21/2010 11:03:11 AM PDT by
wideawake
To: TSgt
unless a person takes his or her case to the police, the credibility of the "abuse" is questionable....as it is now, anybody can claim "abuse" from 40 yrs ago, have no witnesses, no written record from the time, no corraboration, and the perp is probably dead and buried and thus, there is no refute....easy money!
all abuse cases whether from the schools, the jails, the churches, etc should all be reported criminally....this is where you separate the frauds from the actual victims...
in my beliefs, there are no gray areas and I have zero tolerance for any abuse at all...
5 posted on
07/21/2010 11:08:32 AM PDT by
cherry
To: TSgt
Until the church adopts a zero-tolerance policy, justice cannot be served, and the worldwide uproar over the church’s handling of such cases will continue. Nor will it be taken seriously.
13 posted on
07/21/2010 11:36:54 AM PDT by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: TSgt
The church has adopted a zero-tolerance policy. But have these churches and public schools done likewise?
16 posted on
07/21/2010 11:39:13 AM PDT by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: TSgt
EXACTLY No, not "exactly".
The American model will not be applied to the whole world, nor should it.
For those who are truly interested in justice and understanding why the American approach will not be applied elsewhere, HERE is a very good explanation.
Key excerpts:
First, it’s a well-known fact of Catholic life that the “one strike and you’re out” rule at the heart of the American norms -- automatic removal from ministry for life for even one act of sexual abuse against a minor -- plays to mixed reviews, at best, around the global church. That’s not because the rest of the Catholic world is necessarily soft on abuse, but because some bishops and canon lawyers regard the “one strike” policy as a distortion of the church’s legal tradition. Over the centuries, they argue, canon law has resisted “one size fits all” penalties, preferring to leave discretion in the hands of judges to make the punishment fit the crime.
Second, there are aspects of what’s come to be known as the “American approach” which might not translate well in every corner of the world. Take, for example, cooperation with the police and other civil authorities. For Americans and Western Europeans -- where the rule of law holds, and the police play fair -- such a policy seems like a no-brainer, not to mention a long-overdue correction to the notion that the church is above the law. Things look different, however, in a place such as Ukraine. There, a new pro-Russian government is reviving Soviet methods for pressuring the Greek Catholic Church, the largest Eastern rite Catholic church in the world and arguably Ukraine’s most important engine for democratic reform. Among other things, the successor to the KGB has recently been sniffing around the Catholic University in Lviv, dropping in on the rector and making ominous calls to staff on their cell phones (calls of the “we know where you live” variety). Recently I asked a few figures in the Greek Catholic church what a requirement of automatic compliance with every police probe would mean in their environment today. Typically, I got a one-word answer: “Suicide.”
Such considerations are altogether lost on the hacks at the Boston Globe of course as well as their fellow travelers who swallow it all. However, they're not lost on the Church, which is why "the American way" is not the universal way.
19 posted on
07/21/2010 11:43:55 AM PDT by
marshmallow
("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
To: TSgt
From what I see, 50+ years ago, before gays entered the seminaries after Vatican II, the priesthood used to be a much more masculine profession, and less “touchy feely.”
If I were a priest, and anyone I knew besmirched my profession by molesting kids, I would be very tempted to give them a good beating before I handed them over to the cops. Its probably a major reason why I’m not a priest.
21 posted on
07/21/2010 11:53:37 AM PDT by
PGR88
To: TSgt
22 July 2010
From The Catholic League with my emphases and comments:
BOSTON GLOBE & NYT LACK "ZERO TOLERANCE" RULE
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments as follows:
Yesterday, a Boston Globe editorial unfavorably compared the Vatican to the American bishops, saying that "Until the church adopts a zero-tolerance policy, justice cannot be served…."
On July 9 and July 17, the New York Times, which owns the Globe, ran editorials voicing the same criticism. The Times editorial of July 17 correctly notes that such a policy means "requiring secular authorities to be alerted from the beginning." Interestingly, neither newspaper has such a policy of its own.
Section IV of the New York Times Business Ethics Policy (which also governs the Globe), says, "Any employee who becomes aware of any conduct that he or she believes to be prohibited by this Policy or a violation of the law," is expected to "promptly report the facts" to "any supervisor or the legal department." (My italics.) It says nothing about contacting the authorities. [Say it ain’t so!] Moreover, their policy says that if an employee has been found guilty, "appropriate and corrective action up to and including termination" will take place. Even then it says nothing about contacting the authorities! [ShaZAM!]
Yesterday, we contacted three persons on four different occasions who work in the Boston Globe’s Human Resources Department about this issue. No one responded.
This settles the issue.
The New York Times and the Boston Globe find it unwise to adopt the same policy regarding employee misconduct—including instances where the law is broken—that it condemns the Catholic Church for not adopting worldwide.
So if a priest is alleged to have groped a parishioner, the cops must be called. But even after an internal probe reveals that an employee at the Times or Globe is guilty of the same offense, the cops should not be summoned. The hypocrisy is vile.
Contact the editorial page editors, Andrew Rosenthal at the Times and Peter Canellos at the Globe: andyr@nytimes.com and canellos@globe.com
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